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If they mean Israel did it in the sense than Netanyahu kept funding Hamas and knew about the attack years/months/days earlier and did nothing to stop it, and many killed on October 7th were killed by chaotic IDF troops told to shoot anything that moves, then yes, in a way.
But no... They had to go full conspiracy. Netanyahu didn't need to stage this, he just had to create the perfect circumstances for it to happen.
It's highly unlikely Israel made it happen...
But I wouldn't be surprised if it was a Dick Cheney thing like 9/11 where they knew it was gonna happen, and did a cost/benefit analysis and decided it was better if it happened.
Netanyahu was letting literal suitcases of cash into Gaza so Hamas could continue to exist, it's not much of a jump for them to ignore intelligence.
If they honestly didn't see this coming, then they still need to replace their government. Best case scenario they're incompetent
I mean, Bibi was allowing Qatar to fund Hamas, and even supplied briefcases full of cash to the Qatar diplomat to give to Hamas
At the urging of the international community and for humanitarian purposes.
“Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas … This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.” - Benjamin Netanyahu
My idle conspiracy theory is that Trump and his son-in-law sold a bunch of Israel's sensitive defense info to MBS, where it somehow made it into the hands of Hamas. Hamas had some rather detailed intel on Israeli positions at the border and I wonder how they got it. Trump probably never intended for the massacre to happen, he just wanted to earn a quick buck.
I have no proof that Trump sold this, but we know how lax he was with this info, particularly concerning Israel. Heck, he might not have even sold it, all it would take is a few well-placed operatives at Mar-a-lago to take photos of the documents Trump had at his dinner table. That would have made it all even more tragic, because it would mean that Trump sold out Israel just to brag to his friends. Would that be better or worse than getting money for it?
One of the reasons for the Hamas attack was Saudi moving to recognize israel and abandoning Palestine. Also Saudi is currently actively helping the israelis bypass the shipping blockade by transporting goods by truck from the port of UAE to israel through a company called TruckNet.
The Saudi's don't care about Palestine whatsoever. They just want to stack money, build clubs and drive fancy cars. They care as much about Palestine as Russians care about Ukranians, even though they often look the same.
The following nearby countries are currently actively helping israel (despite their leaders sometimes screaming differently):
Egypt
Jordan
Saudi Arabia
UAE
Turkey
The following are against:
Lebanon
Qatar
Iran
Yemen
I agree with your analysis. If any information did make it to Hamas from Trump, it likely wasn't directly from MBS in a single step. But it's possible there could have been some Hamas sympathisers somewhere in the Saudi government that sent it along.
Or, as I noted, the same info was available to anyone at Mar-A-Lago. All they had to do was plant someone on the wait staff there and embed a camera somewhere on their person....
Saudi's probably most influential ruler Faisal was assassinated in 1975 by his very Americanized nephew after blocking oil exports to America for the Palestinian cause. Faisal also nationalized the oil industry and refused to bend the knee to the west.
The assasination was most likely a CIA operation though that does still remain in conspiracy land for about 20 years until we get to see the blacked out lines in the documents.
After Faisa's assasinationl more pro-America rulers were installed in Saudi. The current "king" MBS arrested many ministers that didn't fall in line with him when he rose to power.
Throughout his rule MBS did not seem to specifically care for anything else than money. He very much cooperates with America and israel because they are rich, and Palestine is poor. While his population does not agree with this, he buys an insane amount of weapons from America so they can't do much about it.
While a covert operation might have happened, the MBS government itself is unlikely to have acted against israel because as you can see they are actively aiding israel with Trucknet and other initiatives.
The only reason Saudi doesn't help israel more openly is because their population isn't very happy with them supporting a genocidal ethnostate slaughtering Muslims and many of these hypocritical governments are risking a revolution from their population the more openly they support israel.
I mean, don’t America fund the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden back in the 80s since they were fighting against the USSR? Only to have it backfire when the turned against us, realizing they were just pawns in our game as we conducted operations elsewhere to fuck around with the balance of power in the world?
Lot of parallels here.
But I do think Hamas did Oct 7th. They even said they did it. However, I still think “yeah, what did Israel think was going to happen?” and “it doesn’t justify genocide” just like 9/11 didn’t justify leveling Afghanistan for 20 years.
That was different....
America funded them to fight America's enemies in a proxy war.
Netanyahu assisted other countries funding Hamas, when Hamas was trying to fight Israel. Because the threat of Hamas kept far right authoritarians in power in Israel.
They're completely different situations...
I’m as anti-Israel as all get out and even I think that’s a stupid fucking take.
The weird thing is that the conclusion they have reached is probably not that far off. But how the fuck did they get there?
Pretty much everything IDF says is eventually proven to be a lie. United States does blindly support Israel, to the point where Netanyahu brags about not listening to us while also knowing full well the support will continue.
You could argue that Netanyahu let it happen (because he ignored warnings of an attack) but you would need substantial evidence before claiming that he orchestrated it.
It's most likely the same as every time the US funded an extremist group. First they pump money into the Taliban to make them fight the Russians, but then it turns out the Taliban isn't going to be their lap dog either.
Same with Iran, which America overthrew in 1953, and then 20 years later overthrew again to install their current Shah. It works for a little while but then backfires immensely.
Netanyahu supported Hamas because they created an opportunity for him to dismantle the moderate Fatah and use Hamas as an excuse to continue colonizing. But then it turns out that Hamas is even less controllable and is actually going to fight back.
Yes, yes. Everything is a false flag.
#AllFlagsAreFake
If there's a fringe on it, apparently yes.
See 'flag fringe': https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2010/sovereigns-dictionary-peculiar
There are sovcits among us
That wouldn't shock me.
Growing group of morons tricked by Iranian propaganda.
While I wouldn't put it past Mossad to finance and encourage it to keep Bibi out of corruption court (because there's nothing like a good war to distract people from domestic issues), this was all Hamas.
Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence
That maxim starts to break down if you have at your disposal one of the most well-equipped and well-funded intelligence agencies in the world.
How long until we see these loons on the Fediverse, you think?
