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Germany used to (I think used to) have a system where, for a year, you either joined the military or did a civilian service job like work in a hospital or nursing home. I'm by no means a warmonger or interested in a bloated military, but that doesn't sound like a terrible idea to me.
There are lots of countries that have compulsory military service with alternatives for conscientious objectors (which is basically what you're describing).
I agree that it's a good idea. Moreover, it comes closer to the original meaning of that whole "well-regulated militia" thing. We should consider doing like the Swiss do: give (roughly) everybody mandatory firearms training, send them all home with an infantry standard-issue assault rifle, and then severely restrict access to ammunition except for legitimate purposes like practice at the firing range.
Here in the US I’m pretty sure our Supreme Court would rule that ammunition is speech.
They have that in the US and it’s called Peace Corps but since the 80’s the conservatives hate it and push for military instead.
The problem is the Peace Corps is totally voluntary. There's also AmeriCorps, which is similar, but domestic. What we need is to get kids who don't understand what community means, and that's a lot of them at this point, to learn what that means. It's a way out of this libertarian capitalist hellhole.
Philosophically it's a horrible idea to me, being from the US. First, it's pretty against ideas of freedom and self determination. Secondly, and worse, is that conscripts often are basically an internal sabotage threat. Work to rule, no interest in anything but getting out, actively tend to hurt morale given their resentment, etc. Oh, and 1 year of training / 1 year of service is basically a little past basic training, so not really well trained for modern combat. See what Russia is getting with conscripts for instance. I suppose if you just want bodies to throw into a meat grinder it might work, but unless you have enough to take staggering losses to overwhelm better trained and higher morale troops - and you're willing to take those sorts of losses... the conscripts are just mostly a drain on resources IMO.
It was a pretty big waste of money. You'd have massive numbers of people who'd have to be half-assedly trained for a lot of money just to leave service again right when they started to be somewhat employable. There are reasons why we don't do it like that anymore.
Fair enough, you know better than I would having lived through it. I don't know about the practicalities of such a plan, I just think teaching people to serve the community when they're young is a good idea.
And having seen the other side, might make some people a lot less entitlted too.
Dunno, either killing for your country or undermining wages in the healthcare sector doesn't sound that great to me.
Germany has excellent healthcare. This is things like emptying the bedpans.
Pay is still abysmal, and importing workers from poor countries or forcing young people to work in that sector is peak capitalism.
Please present evidence that healthcare pay in Germany is abysmal.
But that would mean I would need to look up data and educate myself, and then my pointless ramblings look silly!
I assume you're not German, and unable to perform a basic web search for news etc in German? Please confirm so that I can tell you what to search for.
That is not how the burden of proof works. It is not my job to prove what you say is true.
Yet you make it impossible for me to show you proof. Try this query.
It's impossible for you to show me that pay for those sorts of jobs are abysmal in Germany? I doubt that.
Of course the burden of proof is with whoever disagrees with you, you never have to show any proof for your claims. If you don't even know how to find their pay, why do you claim they are not underpaid?
I didn't make the claim, you did. You said pay was abysmal. Now you're refusing to back that up and trying to gaslight me into saying I was the one making the claim.
https://www.dgb.de/schwerpunkt/pflege/++co++90f1dc28-efcb-11ed-885c-001a4a160123
I'd think that you might have been aware of the current issues within the care sector because it was basically all over the news for a long time, especially in the beginning of the pandemic when the workers said that the applause didn't pay their rent.
But then it would be shitty of me to judge someone who must've been trapped in the black forest for 2 to 3 years and still survived.
The pay has increased in May 2023 by 200€ per month. Additionally the care workers will receive up to 200€ per month until February 2024 as a compensation for inflation and a single inflation compansation payment of 1200€. Currently there are no strikes in sight so far, which could mean that the care workers can live off their wages or the raise came too late and they starved.
Here is my source: https://www.pflegen-online.de/tvoed-bis-zu-400-euro-mehr-fuer-pflegekraefte
One of the problems left is that there are so few care workers within the industry so they're still paid abysmally given how many people they have to take care of per person. Unfortunately i don't have a hard number to go with but care workers often report burnouts happening which doesn't happen in a slow job.
Love this agruement
"I claim youre a pedo!"
"No Im not!"
"Show me the evidence, else that means im right!"
Use those budding google fu skills of yours to look up what a burden of proof is, and while youre there "how to argue in good faith".
Lmao conscription service is far from "killing for your country". Its amassing a reserve the size no other country wants to challenge. I went through my service like all other normal able bodied men of my country and it was mostly learning to walk and laying in a bush. Fucking fun it was.
And even if situation arose to killing, killing for your country is the most noble and always morally correct thing to do.
I love dying for old cunts in parliament and their billionaire friends
hnnnnghhhh
And the funny thing is: Why do we die for the old cunts in the parliament? Guess what, it's other old cunts sending soldiers!
Except that in case of war we wouldn't die just for them but also the other people we protect from the soldiers of the other old cunts but nevertheless we die at the behest of old cunts.
if I ever get conscripted I am killing my officer and then myself
Nah, fuck them. I’m not fighting for the US at all. Doubly so I’m not killing for it. Why would I protect a country that hates its citizens?
Idk, try living in a country that benefits their citizens.
And US doesnt have conscription based service so what are you even on about?
Ah yes, kill to defend the capitalist system in your country that exploits you. So noble.
Kill to defend my home and family. And since I'm a Finn, the alternative is rus*ian authoritarianism, which is unacceptable my any means and I'd rather die than be a part of shitpeople.
It's not worth it to argue with these tankies who are from NA mostly. They're so disconnected from reality that their communist utopia sounds so good in their minds that everything not communist is bad. They have no clue what others have and are going through.
Being anti-conscription is not a tankie position - I certainly am not in favour of conscription, it's one of the more authoritarian things a country can do, even if they aren't as prone to invading other places a-la Vietnam as the US is, and I loathe tankies.
Generally speaking I'm of the opinion that if a war or fight is not something people would willingly join to take part in, it's going to be unjustified (this doesn't necessarily mean that something people join the military to take part in is justified, it often isn't, but if you have to force people, it's definitely going to be unjustified >.<).
I understand why in Finland it might be more popular cus of the behaviour of Russia in the past, but my opinion remains the same - offer the training as an option, and if people agree that the threat of Russia is large enough to prepare to fight, they can sign up (which I'd think lots would given the particular situation of Finland, and with this method, you avoid the coercion, resentment, and unwillingness that comes from conscription and from what I understand of modern militaries, those things make conscription more of a hindrance than a help anyhow)
I'll leave my issues with States, military structure, and the MIC for another time ;p
Ya I know, but its entertaining. Got a slow day at working going