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U.S. Army Special Operations Command, in a lengthy study, reported a wide range of “overtly sexist” comments from male soldiers, including a broad aversion to females serving in commando units. The comments, it said, are “not outliers” but represent a common sentiment that women don’t belong on special operations teams.

“The idea that women are equally as physically, mentally and emotionally capable to perform majority of jobs is quite frankly ridiculous,” said one male commenter. Others said they’d quit before serving on a team with a female, and that serving in such a situation it would create problems and jealousy among their wives.

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[–] Tedesche@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It revealed that “the vast majority” of the negative attitudes toward women serving in special operations “unfortunately did come from senior noncommissioned officers. So it does seem to indicate that it is generational,” Command Sgt. Maj. JoAnn Naumann, the most senior enlisted soldier in the command, said in a call with reporters Monday about the findings.

Well, that's rather predictable and good news for the long run. Just retire these dinosaurs and replace them with younger soldiers. No more old boys' club.

And while we're at it, why don't we get rid of the selective service system or force women to be join it? Equal rights, equal responsibilities.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Germany used to (I think used to) have a system where, for a year, you either joined the military or did a civilian service job like work in a hospital or nursing home. I'm by no means a warmonger or interested in a bloated military, but that doesn't sound like a terrible idea to me.

[–] grue@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

There are lots of countries that have compulsory military service with alternatives for conscientious objectors (which is basically what you're describing).

I agree that it's a good idea. Moreover, it comes closer to the original meaning of that whole "well-regulated militia" thing. We should consider doing like the Swiss do: give (roughly) everybody mandatory firearms training, send them all home with an infantry standard-issue assault rifle, and then severely restrict access to ammunition except for legitimate purposes like practice at the firing range.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago

Here in the US I’m pretty sure our Supreme Court would rule that ammunition is speech.

[–] Yepthatsme@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They have that in the US and it’s called Peace Corps but since the 80’s the conservatives hate it and push for military instead.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

The problem is the Peace Corps is totally voluntary. There's also AmeriCorps, which is similar, but domestic. What we need is to get kids who don't understand what community means, and that's a lot of them at this point, to learn what that means. It's a way out of this libertarian capitalist hellhole.

[–] jmp242@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago

Philosophically it's a horrible idea to me, being from the US. First, it's pretty against ideas of freedom and self determination. Secondly, and worse, is that conscripts often are basically an internal sabotage threat. Work to rule, no interest in anything but getting out, actively tend to hurt morale given their resentment, etc. Oh, and 1 year of training / 1 year of service is basically a little past basic training, so not really well trained for modern combat. See what Russia is getting with conscripts for instance. I suppose if you just want bodies to throw into a meat grinder it might work, but unless you have enough to take staggering losses to overwhelm better trained and higher morale troops - and you're willing to take those sorts of losses... the conscripts are just mostly a drain on resources IMO.

[–] MahatmaGandhalf@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It was a pretty big waste of money. You'd have massive numbers of people who'd have to be half-assedly trained for a lot of money just to leave service again right when they started to be somewhat employable. There are reasons why we don't do it like that anymore.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fair enough, you know better than I would having lived through it. I don't know about the practicalities of such a plan, I just think teaching people to serve the community when they're young is a good idea.

[–] HidingCat@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

And having seen the other side, might make some people a lot less entitlted too.

[–] SwingingKoala@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Dunno, either killing for your country or undermining wages in the healthcare sector doesn't sound that great to me.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Germany has excellent healthcare. This is things like emptying the bedpans.

[–] SwingingKoala@discuss.tchncs.de -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pay is still abysmal, and importing workers from poor countries or forcing young people to work in that sector is peak capitalism.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Please present evidence that healthcare pay in Germany is abysmal.

[–] ITypeWithMyDick@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

But that would mean I would need to look up data and educate myself, and then my pointless ramblings look silly!

[–] SwingingKoala@discuss.tchncs.de -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I assume you're not German, and unable to perform a basic web search for news etc in German? Please confirm so that I can tell you what to search for.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That is not how the burden of proof works. It is not my job to prove what you say is true.

[–] SwingingKoala@discuss.tchncs.de -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yet you make it impossible for me to show you proof. Try this query.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's impossible for you to show me that pay for those sorts of jobs are abysmal in Germany? I doubt that.

[–] SwingingKoala@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Of course the burden of proof is with whoever disagrees with you, you never have to show any proof for your claims. If you don't even know how to find their pay, why do you claim they are not underpaid?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I didn't make the claim, you did. You said pay was abysmal. Now you're refusing to back that up and trying to gaslight me into saying I was the one making the claim.

[–] MyFairJulia@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

https://www.dgb.de/schwerpunkt/pflege/++co++90f1dc28-efcb-11ed-885c-001a4a160123

I'd think that you might have been aware of the current issues within the care sector because it was basically all over the news for a long time, especially in the beginning of the pandemic when the workers said that the applause didn't pay their rent.

But then it would be shitty of me to judge someone who must've been trapped in the black forest for 2 to 3 years and still survived.

The pay has increased in May 2023 by 200€ per month. Additionally the care workers will receive up to 200€ per month until February 2024 as a compensation for inflation and a single inflation compansation payment of 1200€. Currently there are no strikes in sight so far, which could mean that the care workers can live off their wages or the raise came too late and they starved.

Here is my source: https://www.pflegen-online.de/tvoed-bis-zu-400-euro-mehr-fuer-pflegekraefte

One of the problems left is that there are so few care workers within the industry so they're still paid abysmally given how many people they have to take care of per person. Unfortunately i don't have a hard number to go with but care workers often report burnouts happening which doesn't happen in a slow job.

[–] ITypeWithMyDick@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Love this agruement

"I claim youre a pedo!"

"No Im not!"

"Show me the evidence, else that means im right!"

[–] giotheflow@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Use those budding google fu skills of yours to look up what a burden of proof is, and while youre there "how to argue in good faith".

[–] SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Lmao conscription service is far from "killing for your country". Its amassing a reserve the size no other country wants to challenge. I went through my service like all other normal able bodied men of my country and it was mostly learning to walk and laying in a bush. Fucking fun it was.

And even if situation arose to killing, killing for your country is the most noble and always morally correct thing to do.

[–] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I love dying for old cunts in parliament and their billionaire friends

hnnnnghhhh

[–] MyFairJulia@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And the funny thing is: Why do we die for the old cunts in the parliament? Guess what, it's other old cunts sending soldiers!

Except that in case of war we wouldn't die just for them but also the other people we protect from the soldiers of the other old cunts but nevertheless we die at the behest of old cunts.

[–] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

if I ever get conscripted I am killing my officer and then myself

[–] BURN@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nah, fuck them. I’m not fighting for the US at all. Doubly so I’m not killing for it. Why would I protect a country that hates its citizens?

[–] SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Idk, try living in a country that benefits their citizens.

And US doesnt have conscription based service so what are you even on about?

[–] SwingingKoala@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah yes, kill to defend the capitalist system in your country that exploits you. So noble.

[–] SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Kill to defend my home and family. And since I'm a Finn, the alternative is rus*ian authoritarianism, which is unacceptable my any means and I'd rather die than be a part of shitpeople.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's not worth it to argue with these tankies who are from NA mostly. They're so disconnected from reality that their communist utopia sounds so good in their minds that everything not communist is bad. They have no clue what others have and are going through.

[–] sapient_cogbag@infosec.pub 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Being anti-conscription is not a tankie position - I certainly am not in favour of conscription, it's one of the more authoritarian things a country can do, even if they aren't as prone to invading other places a-la Vietnam as the US is, and I loathe tankies.

Generally speaking I'm of the opinion that if a war or fight is not something people would willingly join to take part in, it's going to be unjustified (this doesn't necessarily mean that something people join the military to take part in is justified, it often isn't, but if you have to force people, it's definitely going to be unjustified >.<).

I understand why in Finland it might be more popular cus of the behaviour of Russia in the past, but my opinion remains the same - offer the training as an option, and if people agree that the threat of Russia is large enough to prepare to fight, they can sign up (which I'd think lots would given the particular situation of Finland, and with this method, you avoid the coercion, resentment, and unwillingness that comes from conscription and from what I understand of modern militaries, those things make conscription more of a hindrance than a help anyhow)

I'll leave my issues with States, military structure, and the MIC for another time ;p

[–] SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago

Ya I know, but its entertaining. Got a slow day at working going

[–] AttackBunny@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not to diminish anything enlisted woman have gone through, but this is by no means unique to military service. I am a women, who works in a very male dominated field, and the hostility, belittling, sexism, etc I have to endure, that my male counterparts don't is massive.

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Yup. Worked male-orientated jobs almost my whole life. The battle is real.

[–] AllHailTheSheep@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm in IT, the difference in how I'm treated before and after I transitioned is crazy. I haven't legally changed my name yet so I just pretend to be a guy for all my jobs solely to avoid that.

[–] AttackBunny@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

About a year ago I decided to remove my name from my email signature. It’s mind boggling how different email replies/inquiries are now. People just assume I’m a man because making cars go fast = men things. When they finally meet me, or talk to me on the phone, there’s an instant demeanor change. Some not bad, others hostile.

[–] thisisawayoflife@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Get rid of the GI Bill, or at the very least, tie it to the draft. As in, you don't get post service benefits unless there's a draft going on. Otherwise you just volunteered.

Then, provide those same benefits we provided since 1944 to the legal and medical professionals. Kids enter into service at 18-20 and come out as public defenders, nurses and doctors, where they are subject to working in poor areas to help the underserved.