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[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (10 children)

Good.
This is just the "I won't vote for Biden because Israel refuses to sign a ceasefire" bullshit all over again.
Notice how literally none of these people have any problem whatsoever with any of Trump's gaffes?
They have no problem whatsoever with Trump's policies. They have no problem whatsoever with project 2025. They have no problem at all that Donald Trump is 79 years old.
But they have a huge fucking problem with the fact that Joe Biden is two and a half years older than Donald Trump.
You would think if they actually gave a damn about the welfare of the country they would be concerned about Donald Trump in the least, yet crickets.

[–] testfactor@lemmy.world 61 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think it might be a bit of a bold assumption that everyone who thinks Biden is too old to do an effective job and should step aside is a huge Trump supporter.

There are plenty of people who hate Trump with a passion that thinks Biden isn't up to the task of winning this election.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 33 points 4 months ago (1 children)

No, it isn't. Biden is letting his fucking pride erode our chances of avoiding a dictatorship.

We'll see how future appearances are but he was incoherent at the debate and if that keeps up it makes another Trump presidency much more likely.

Also, fuck off for blindly assuming what everyone else thinks and assuming everyone who disagrees with you is arguing in bad faith.

[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We saw this recently with Ruth Bater Ginsberg, too, unfortunately - she could have chosen to step down when Obama was president and secured a democrat nominee in the SCOTUS for 50+ years, but she didn't, and now look where we are.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago

We're also, unfortunately, seeing this with Sotomayor right now. Though she may also be holding out because she assumes the senate would just block her replacement.

She's an awesome jurist but she has serious health issues.

[–] retrospectology@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It's not good. Biden stands the worst chance against Trump, which is why concern trolls are so desperate to shut down and dismiss any discussion of replacing him.

[–] TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Most of the people I hear who are bothered by Biden's chances aren't talking about Trump's policies, age or lack of cognitive ability not because they support Trump, quite the opposite. They are scared of a second Trump presidency and are scared that the DNC will drop the ball again, fumble the election by sticking with a poorly liked candidate and they'll have to suffer the consequences of America veering headfirst towards fascism. There's no point to mentioning Trump's similar or more dire issues, because he was never an option to them to begin with.

I don't have faith that the DNC actually cares about the looming threat of fascism, the threat to civil liberties, etc, I think they saw how much in donations they got during the last Trump presidency and the surge in popularity even their most milquetoast center left candidates got and they think they can ride the wave for 4 years.

Bidens admin has done a lot of good and the DNC has been dogshit at demonstrating that with effective messaging. He's also done a lot of things I find abhorrent and in a just world, neither candidate should be eligible as they'd be locked away in The Hague. But that isn't the case, this is America, and I think the powers that be are willing to risk the election to save face.

[–] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

This is just the "I won't vote for Biden because Israel refuses to sign a ceasefire" bullshit all over again.

This is incredibly disingenuous. More like "Because he is arming, supporting and diplomatically protecting a genocidal government." We know it's not his fault Israel are assholes, it's the stuff he is doing that is the problem.

They have no problem whatsoever with Trump's policies. They have no problem whatsoever with project 2025.

My brother in christ why do you think we want Biden to actually be a good candidate?

Genocide supporting, doddering old Biden is a much better candidate than the unhinged far right felon that wouldn't know the truth if it pissed on his face, BUT HE NEEDS TO WIN THE ELECTION FIRST. If being not as bad as trump was enough Hilary would have won.

It is precisely because I hate trump so much that I want Biden to be better. If you are in a debate with Trump and most people watching think you lost, you fucked up big time. The pigeon you're playing chess with might have shit on the board and felt like he won, but you should have at least done enough so that the audience watching this didn't fucking agree with him.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

"I won't vote for Biden because Israel refuses to sign a ceasefire" bullshit

Fun fact: support in the form of weapons and political cover from the governments of the UK, Germany, and ESPECIALLY the US is why the fascist apartheid regime hasn't been FORCED to stop the genocide several months ago.

He knows this and even though the majority of his prospective voters are IMPLORING him to stop participating in a genocide in their name, even though he KNOWS that it's likely to cost him the election and even though he KNOWS that it's likely to be the last one ever if he does lose, he still refuses.

He's putting his Zionist ideology and his stubborn inability to admit fault ahead of not just Gazan lives, but also the survival of American democracy and the universality of international law.

Even KAMALA would be a better choice than someone so completely out of touch with and devoid of respect for the ideals and institutions he's supposed to be protecting.

Still better than Trump, though, so we just have to keep pretending that the old war criminal is perfect, lest the Blue No Matter Who apparatchiks lob spurious allegations of fascist loyalties at us 😮‍💨🤦

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yes, this is scary, the media are basically all working for Trump, even those who claim the opposite. But they are falling for the Trump foghorn, just as much as any average Joe, where the media are supposed to be professionals and above that.

[–] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

Falling for NOTHING the trump campaign is going to give the media millions of dollars for advertising spots. The media have a vested interest in keeping the horse race going.

[–] blazera@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Notice how literally none of these people have any problem whatsoever with any of Trump’s gaffes?

What? Which people?

Trumps a client of a pedophile sex trafficking ring that had his dealer assassinated. He built his political career on the racist conspiracy that Obama was born in Kenya, colluded with Russia to become president, appointed climate change deniers to head the EPA and Dept of Energy, appointed public education deniers to head the Dept of Education, oil isnt bad enough for the environment for him so he endorses coal, was antivax before republicans thought it was cool, and nothing else on this world is closer to convincing me of the Bible than the idea that Trump is the antichrist.

But no trump supporter is going to see this