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Just a tip, in political circles acceleration is generally a term to avoid. It's a loosely defined, dogshit ideology. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerationism
True, but I'm only talking about specifically cutting ties with the M..E (gradually) and transitioning to a green energy model ASAP, not about the wider political implications.
It's very clear that's not what OP was talking about
Only if you're not making things worse on purpose in the hopes that they'll get better later
Worse in this case meaning "explicitly trying to start a global thermonuclear exchange."
I mean, it kinda depends on what you think will make things better..... Accelerationist ideology is mostly only effective for fascist. Fascism gains power by blaming current problems on the ineffectiveness of parliamentary governments, promising to provide stability with the use of a strong leader.
The left on the other hand relies on ideas like mutual cooperation and mutual aid, things that require more political and structural organization to bear fruit.
In post industrialized nations, it's hard to imagine why things would have to regress in order to eventually progress from the current status quo.
So how about something like the French Revolution that gave us the modern napoleonic code and served as a basis for secular government?
Well first, I think it depends on your perspective. The French revolution and the 1rst Republic were overthrown by Napoleon. While Napoleon was one of the more liberal dictators, he was still an agent of some pretty terrible imperialism.
Secondly, there's a reason why I specified post industrial societies. The most successful leftist governments had the advantage of being able to industrialize their nations. Being able to increase the power of a centralized government while simultaneously improving the quality of life of its citizens is one of the more powerful carrots in the revolutionary arsenal.
Oh so your basically saying revolution style changes are kind of not possible in an industrialized society?
Hmmm, I disagree but that’s a fair point.
Not necessarily, just that post industrialized nations tend to swing harder right when people begin to lose faith in the democratic process.
I think part of that is due to the lack of strong mutual aid groups and worker organizations that industrialization creates as a byproduct.
If we look at revolutionary movements in the 20th century for the most part the industrialized nations were the ones who were overtaken by fascism, while unindustrialized countries like Russia and China transitioned to socialism.
It was one of the wildcards that early socialist didn't really forsee, which is why everyone was so surprised that the first revolution to succeed was in Russia instead of Germany.