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I'm not talking about the consumption of animals here, to be clear. What I'm talking about is spending days and a bunch of money planning to kill something, doing the killing, and skinning/eviscerating what was killed, and often displaying the stuffed corpse. Hunters and fishers refuse to admit they're obsessed with taking pleasure in killing something.

Miss me with the "tradition" stuff, it's just peer pressure from the dead and a fallacious argument. Don't tell me it's to eat, like I said, I'm not talking about the consumption here, so please prove to me you are literate by not bringing up that point. And don't tell me you're respectful to the animals you kill; I don't believe the planning, stalking, and killing is a good way to show respect.

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[–] zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for not bringing up eating! I really appreciate it.

Yes, population management is a real thing. Not denying that, and I probably should have mentioned it.

I still find the people that want to participate in it for fun very creepy.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I still find the people that want to participate in it for fun very creepy.

Some are rather weird, but I can understand liking nature hobbies in which you are alone or with a few buddies if you've had social problems. (Talking about some people I know.) But yeah. Some are weird. But also, some aren't. I don't think killing an animal means you're a psychopath, per se.

Most of the hobby isn't about the kill. Hell, most of the year killing them isn't even allowed.

Since you mentioned eating though, I'll say that I actually really enjoy game meat. It's relatively cruelty free. An optimal killshot might not still instantly kill (as in you don't aim for the brain, but the heart), but at least they've lived an actually free life, unlike powerfarmed cattle, from which you can almost taste the misery. (I'm a flexitarian and try to make somewhat moral choices at least most of the time.)

[–] zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Since you mentioned eating

No, I specifically tried to avoid it, but go ahead and ignore that 🤦

Hiking is a thing you can do in nature alone or is groups that doesn't involve killing, so I don't understand your point about that making hunting less creepy. And even if most of the hobby isn't the actual killing, the rest of it is planning, setting up for, fantasizing about, talking about, etc., the killing, so that's not very convincing either. Like I get that if you have, say, cooking as a hobby that you look up recipes, buy ingredients, and eat, but nobody that has cooking as a hobby buys ingredients to not cook (raw vegans excepted 🥁🥁🛎️).

And telling me about how different flesh tastes depending on how you kill them sounds pretty creepy.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You have literally no idea what goes into deer management, do you?

Have you even ever known anyone who does that, personally?

"All of their time goes to thinking and talking and fantasising about killing".

I daresay all the hunters I know spend less time thinking about the kill than you spend time fantasising about some imaginary hunters filled with murder lust.

My brother is a ~40-year old family man. Mostly he thinks about his kids and his job. On the weekends, they might go and prepare deer feeding areas. You see, upkeep of the population is also a part of deer management.

Only a few weekends of the year do they actually kill anything. Most of the time it's just maintenance, while hiking in nature.

I don't think you realise just how important deer management is, especially in some places. The amount of deer crashes we have would skyrocket without population control. Which would mean animals and people suffering and dying.

And telling me about how different flesh tastes depending on how you kill them sounds pretty creepy.

Learn to read, maybe? It's not about how you kill them. It's about how they have lived. Which is more moral, eating a thing that didn't have the space to turn around it's whole life, or an animal which lived completely naturally it's whole life?

That's why I avoid industrially farmed animals.

You have an extremely childish, simplistic and twisted view of what deer management actually is.

Just like I said in my last comment, using your logic all plumbers are only plumbers because they have a scat fetish and fantasise about other people's excrement all day, how else would anyone be capable of doing anything like that?

Surgeons? Psychopaths, the lot of them. Must just be itching everyday to get to cut into a living person. Sickening, right, right???? /s

Damn, dude, not every hunter is a deer population manager.

Hunters do hunting, surgeons try and heal people. In one the killing is the point and in the other the cutting in incidental.

Avoiding factory farmed animals but still eating animals is something a lot of people say to pat themselves on the back, but I don't buy it.

Anyway, I can see this is a really personal thing to you and you're really upset by it. Don't think too much about why you get defensive about it, though, or why you have to carve out exceptions to try and make it less creepy.