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Well you're clearly not literate.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deer_management
The population is managed through hunting to as to avoid the overpopulation of deer, which is catastrophic for the ecology.
Not because every single hunter is some sort of psychopath. What a childish notion.
This is a manmade problem though. We exterminated all or most of the predators that would usually do the duty of population control in our stead, because said predators didn't differentiate between livestock and wild animals.
Where I live, literally the place where they killed the last wolf in the state, is landmark, and the guy who did it has a town named after him.
Thanks for not bringing up eating! I really appreciate it.
Yes, population management is a real thing. Not denying that, and I probably should have mentioned it.
I still find the people that want to participate in it for fun very creepy.
Some are rather weird, but I can understand liking nature hobbies in which you are alone or with a few buddies if you've had social problems. (Talking about some people I know.) But yeah. Some are weird. But also, some aren't. I don't think killing an animal means you're a psychopath, per se.
Most of the hobby isn't about the kill. Hell, most of the year killing them isn't even allowed.
Since you mentioned eating though, I'll say that I actually really enjoy game meat. It's relatively cruelty free. An optimal killshot might not still instantly kill (as in you don't aim for the brain, but the heart), but at least they've lived an actually free life, unlike powerfarmed cattle, from which you can almost taste the misery. (I'm a flexitarian and try to make somewhat moral choices at least most of the time.)
No, I specifically tried to avoid it, but go ahead and ignore that 🤦
Hiking is a thing you can do in nature alone or is groups that doesn't involve killing, so I don't understand your point about that making hunting less creepy. And even if most of the hobby isn't the actual killing, the rest of it is planning, setting up for, fantasizing about, talking about, etc., the killing, so that's not very convincing either. Like I get that if you have, say, cooking as a hobby that you look up recipes, buy ingredients, and eat, but nobody that has cooking as a hobby buys ingredients to not cook (raw vegans excepted 🥁🥁🛎️).
And telling me about how different flesh tastes depending on how you kill them sounds pretty creepy.
You have literally no idea what goes into deer management, do you?
Have you even ever known anyone who does that, personally?
"All of their time goes to thinking and talking and fantasising about killing".
I daresay all the hunters I know spend less time thinking about the kill than you spend time fantasising about some imaginary hunters filled with murder lust.
My brother is a ~40-year old family man. Mostly he thinks about his kids and his job. On the weekends, they might go and prepare deer feeding areas. You see, upkeep of the population is also a part of deer management.
Only a few weekends of the year do they actually kill anything. Most of the time it's just maintenance, while hiking in nature.
I don't think you realise just how important deer management is, especially in some places. The amount of deer crashes we have would skyrocket without population control. Which would mean animals and people suffering and dying.
Learn to read, maybe? It's not about how you kill them. It's about how they have lived. Which is more moral, eating a thing that didn't have the space to turn around it's whole life, or an animal which lived completely naturally it's whole life?
That's why I avoid industrially farmed animals.
You have an extremely childish, simplistic and twisted view of what deer management actually is.
Just like I said in my last comment, using your logic all plumbers are only plumbers because they have a scat fetish and fantasise about other people's excrement all day, how else would anyone be capable of doing anything like that?
Surgeons? Psychopaths, the lot of them. Must just be itching everyday to get to cut into a living person. Sickening, right, right???? /s
Damn, dude, not every hunter is a deer population manager.
Hunters do hunting, surgeons try and heal people. In one the killing is the point and in the other the cutting in incidental.
Avoiding factory farmed animals but still eating animals is something a lot of people say to pat themselves on the back, but I don't buy it.
Anyway, I can see this is a really personal thing to you and you're really upset by it. Don't think too much about why you get defensive about it, though, or why you have to carve out exceptions to try and make it less creepy.
You seriously think they are hunting because of a population issue? That is just why they are allowed to hunt so freely....
The hunters do not give a fuck, just want to kill some shit
You don't know a single hunter, nor did you grow up in the country.
That's painfully obvious.
You don't even know what country I'm in.
You're beyond arrogant, simplistic and naive.
They aren't allowed to hunt freely here, there's a very specific amount of felling permits.
You don't know shit and you're not willing to learn.
That's a lot of assumptions 😂 Almost all of which are completely wrong
I don't care if your butt hurt, stop whining and look inward
You don't need to kill, period.
There were times my ex and I wouldn't have eaten or suffered from malnutrition of it hadn't been for hunting and raising our own food, vegetables included.
and that is a natural, beautiful, reason to kill for food. I have utmost respect for those who have to hunt their food, not for obese idiots buying slabs of hormone filled trash that gives them cancer
I get that we have some species that need to be culled for the sake of the greater good /circle of life / balance of nature, etc., but I have no desire to do that work myself.
Hunting is hobby-murder regardless of the justification you put behind it.
Not all killing is murder — and to pretend the killing of any animal is takes away from actual homicide.
"I realise this is a necessary part for society to function the way it does, but I think every single person who does it is doing it for the sheer pleasure of killing"
Using that same logic, all plumbers have a scat-fetish?
It's beyond amazing to me how disconnected some people are from nature. Death is seen as something horrible, instead of something that literally every single organism will one day face.
Yes there are really weird dudes in hunting groups, but there are also completely normal, non-psychopathic non-murderers, and if you pretend there isn't, then I don't think you're ready to have an adult conversation about the subject.
Until the animals are able to speak up for themselves and tell us that they want to die, killing is murder regardless of the mental gymnastics you perform around it.
If I happened to crash a car into your car and you die, I won't get convicted for murder.
If I push you in anger and you happen to crack your head on the pavement badly enough and die — I might get accused of murder, but more than likely get convicted of manslaughter.
Doesn't matter how you define your own private language, but in English, words have meanings.
You're just deadset against something, because you're an absolutist who can't listen to reason. If those "senseless murderers" stop their "murdering", a lot MORE people AND animals will DIE.
That shouldn't be too hard to understand, I think, so I must conclude that you are willfully ignoring it.
Just like you're willfully ignoring the part where your childish logic being applied anywhere else shows just how ridiculous it is.
You've yet to answer whether you think all plumbers think about scat porn all the time?
Hunters actively set out to kill things, spend thousands on equipment, and pay fees for the right to do so. Convince yourself however you need to, but hunters are murderers. You don't accidentally cover yourself in camo and deer piss to go hide in a tree and wait for a deer to come along so you can kill it and claim some sort of "manly" victory over nature or whatever.
Hunters have a desire to kill things. The only difference between a hunter and a serial killer is a modicum of self-control about target selection.