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Not everyone needs a real ID, and you'd just be preventing poor citizens from voting.
Real ID is becoming a requirement for all state issued IDs. Let me see what the current deadline is:
May 7th.
https://www.oregon.gov/odot/dmv/pages/realidtraveler.aspx
"Do I need a REAL ID?
Yes, if you...
Are 18 and older and will travel in the U.S. by plane after May 7, 2025, without a valid passport.
Visit military bases, secure federal facilities or nuclear plants.
No, if you...
Have a star on your license, permit or ID (this means you already have a REAL ID).
Prefer to use an unexpired, government-issued passport for U.S. travel.
Do not travel the country by plane.
Do not visit military bases, secure federal facilities or nuclear plants.
Are under 18 years old. TSA does not require children under 18 to provide identification when traveling within the United States."
You are not forced to get a Real ID and can stick to a state only drivers license (if you want).
It's a requirement for those listed things.
So you only need it under certain conditions. It's not a requirement to vote. So most people don't need it, because the vast majority of people don't visit military bases, secure federal facilities, or travel via aircraft.
Voting is a fundamental right. You really want to make it so only people wealthy enough to fly places get to vote?
In California:
It costs thirty dollars.
Who wants to vote, but doesn't have thirty dollars? That's like three bananas.
And there are lower prices if you have low income.
And homeless people get them for free.
And ages 62+ get them for free.
You keep saying obstacles to voting like they are no big deal because they are no big deal to you. Voting is a fundamental right, and shouldn't be limited to people that share your privilege. Not everyone drives, not everyone has $30, not everyone wants to suffer the indignity of jumping through hoops to prove they are too poor to pay for an ID card, not everyone can take the time to go spend the day at the DMV getting an ID card, and NOBODY SHOULD HAVE TO DO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Voting is a privilege that most people don't use. Yes Republicans are looking for ways to suppress votes, and I don't think you should need an ID to vote, but the idea that getting an ID is hard, is preposterous. You need an ID for like fucking everything.
No you fucking fascist it's a right, not a privilege
Felons can't vote, seems like a privilege to me.
They can in many places and should everywhere
Like I say, motor voter states already have the requirment, just make all states motor voter, flip to 100% vote by mail, and tell the Republicans "mission accomplished" and watch them lose their goddamned minds.
"Motor voter"? Like, drive-through balloting?
Automatic voter registration when getting or renewing a drivers license or ID card.
Not everybody who has the right to vote needs a driver's license or an ID card.
Everyone who wants a job, house, bank account, doctor, etc. etc. needs at least an ID card.
It's not possible to function in modern society without identification.
I can't tell if you're being deliberately obtuse or you really just can't see beyond your own lived experience. Either way, your worldview is problematic, and you're standing on the side of fascists.
It's super simple:
If you want a job, you have to have ID.
If you want social services, you also have to have ID.
If you bail and are living in the woods like a wildman, good for you, but you aren't voting, and the number of people doing that is not significant.
You don't need an ID for a job. You just need a social security number. Same for social services. And if you want to bail on society and live in the woods, you still have the right to vote. Thinking it's OK to make it harder to vote just because you don't respect the people who will have a harder time is about as anti-american as it gets.
Yes, yes, you do.
It's called an I-9 form.
https://www.uscis.gov/i-9
"On the form, an employee must attest to their employment authorization. The employee must also present their employer with acceptable documents as evidence of identity and employment authorization. The employer must examine these documents to determine whether they reasonably appear to be genuine and relate to the employee, then record the document information on the employee’s Form I-9."
You either need 1 item from list A or 1 item from list B and one from C.
LIST A
Documents that Establish Both Identity and Employment Authorization
U.S. Passport or U.S. Passport Card
Permanent Resident Card or Alien Registration Receipt Card (Form I-551)
Foreign passport that contains a temporary I-551 stamp or temporary I-551 printed notation on a machine- readable immigrant visa
Employment Authorization Document that contains a photograph (Form I-766)
For an individual temporarily authorized to work for a specific employer because of his or her status or parole: a. Foreign passport; and b. Form I-94 or Form I-94A that has the following: (1) The same name as the passport; and (2) An endorsement of the individual's status or parole as long as that period of endorsement has not yet expired and the proposed employment is not in conflict with any restrictions or limitations identified on the form.
Passport from the Federated States of Micronesia (FSM) or the Republic of the Marshall Islands (RMI) with Form I-94 or Form I-94A indicating nonimmigrant admission under the Compact of Free Association Between the United States and the FSM or RMI
OR - 1 from B and one from C:
LIST B
Documents that Establish Identity
Driver's license or ID card issued by a State or outlying possession of the United States provided it contains a photograph or information such as name, date of birth, gender, height, eye color, and address
ID card issued by federal, state or local government agencies or entities, provided it contains a photograph or information such as name, date of birth, gender, height, eye color, and address
School ID card with a photograph
Voter's registration card
U.S. Military card or draft record
Military dependent's ID card
U.S. Coast Guard Merchant Mariner Card
Native American tribal document
Driver's license issued by a Canadian government authority
For persons under age 18 who are unable to present a document listed above:
School record or report card
Clinic, doctor, or hospital record
Day-care or nursery school record Acceptable Receipts
LIST C
Documents that Establish Employment
Authorization
A Social Security Account Number card, unless the card includes one of the following restrictions:
(1) NOT VALID FOR EMPLOYMENT
(2) VALID FOR WORK ONLY WITH INS AUTHORIZATION
(3) VALID FOR WORK ONLY WITH DHS AUTHORIZATION
Certification of report of birth issued by the Department of State (Forms DS-1350, FS-545, FS-240)
Original or certified copy of birth certificate issued by a State, county, municipal authority, or territory of the United States bearing an official seal
Native American tribal document
U.S. Citizen ID Card (Form I-197)
Identification Card for Use of Resident Citizen in the United States (Form I-179)
Employment authorization document issued by the Department of Homeland Security
A social security card only shows you're authorized to work in the United States, it's not proof of identity.
In fact, back in the day, it used to say directly on it "Not for Identification."
Did you read it? Read it again, more carefully.
This bit?
"The employee must also present their employer with acceptable documents as evidence of identity"
I've been responsible for PROCESSING I-9 forms, not just filling them out. Yes, you do in fact need ID to get a job.
Keep going and see if you can find the documents you can get without an ID. One of them is particularly relevant to the important point of this discussion.
Documents you can get without a prior ID, these are still ID:
One from column B:
School ID card with a photograph
U.S. Military card or draft record
U.S. Coast Guard Merchant Mariner Card
Native American tribal document
For persons under age 18 who are unable to present a document listed above:
School record or report card
Day-care or nursery school record
In order to have a life that looks like mine you need ID. I don't see how people without ID do it. I don't they're being deliberately obtuse. Life is hard enough and most of us have a hard time understanding how different other people's lives can be.
Right, but that's exactly my point. It's important to understand that everyone has a right to vote, and not just the people who have a life that looks like yours. And if you're willing to take rights away from people who aren't like you, then you're the oppressor.
Louisiana just declared a state of emergency over their aged license system, they're saying if you need to fly you might need 180 days to go through their accelerated program to get a real id
Getting a real ID isn't a requirement to register to vote at the DMV. You could also be there to get a regular ID, register your car, etc. This is how we do it in Oregon and we also have regular election offices too. The very people you're talking about are much more likely to visit the DMV at some point than visit an election office.