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Should Nikola Jokic's 2023 playoffs run be talked about as one of the individual all time great run?

Nikola Jokic averaged 30.0 points, 13.5 rebounds and 9.5 assists in 20 games in the 2023 playoffs. He won his first Finals MVP award and his first NBA championship.

First time in history that a player has less the playoffs in points, rebounds and assists.

Individually, he played the best defenders at his position in Gobert, Davis and Bam.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2023_totals.html

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[–] Otherwise_Warning922@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

yall might not like to hear it but that isnt for us to decide lmao. Its for the fans in 10, 15 years to decide if it holds up.

An "All time" run that just happened isnt something people in the present pick.

Do I think people will reference it much in the future? Probably not. Not enough moments, not enough memorable opposing teams, etc.

[–] denis-vi@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Led the playoffs in points, rebounds, assists

Most triple doubles ever in playoffs (correct me if wrong, not 100% sure on this one)

Only lost 4 games

Shot as efficiently as one can get on volume

Had a 50pt piece

Beat teams who had the top 3 defensive bigs in the league

Won without another all star on his team

Won on the back of 2 MVPs and and an mvp-worthy season

Beat all of these players - Anthony Edwards, KAT, Kevin Durant (2x finals mvp), Devin Booker (led a team to finals), LeBron James (😊), Anthony Davis, Jimmy Butler

I'm the biggest 'LeBron 2018's playoffs run is one of the greatest of all time' stan and granted the Cavs in that year didn't have anyone like Jamal Murray and a worse constructed roster than Nuggets this year (and no GS juggernaut), but if that run against the Pacers, Raps and baby Celtics is considered an all time one, then this one ending with a chip is up there guaranteed.

[–] DefiniteSauce12@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

He went through a hell of a center matchup though. KAT Gobert, Ayton, AD, and Bam. Doesn’t get much tougher than that. Also, he made some ridiculous shots over AD.

[–] graphitewolf@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Compatively, nothing compared to the prior couple generations of basketball honestly

This point isn't spoken about enough. That's a mean list to casually dispose of.

[–] InkBlotSam@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, who would reference the only time in history a player led the playoffs in points, rebounds and assists, or smashed the record for the most triple doubles ever.

[–] NoSleeperSeats90210@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

there wasnt a single team that was favourite to win over them

[–] InkBlotSam@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For one thing, the Suns were favored not only in betting odds, but also by analysts (here are 13 out of 17 ESPN analysts picking the Suns to win the Nuggets series),, so you're making shit up, but even if you weren't totally wrong, that logic is hilarious: "Can't be that good if no one was favored over you."

No brother, that means you are good. The Lakers and Heat weren't favored over the Nuggets because Jokic was having one of the greatest postseason runs in NBA history, wafflestomping his way through the playoffs.

[–] NoSleeperSeats90210@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

there wasnt a single team you went up against that will be remembered in 5 years, just being better than others doesnt mean you had a historic run lmao

[–] InkBlotSam@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In 70+ years of NBA basketball there have been hundreds of playoff teams, thousands and thousands of players, including all the legends.

In addition to blowing away Wilt's record for most triple-doubles in the playoffs while coming within a few assists of a 30+ point triple double average for an entire NBA playoff run, which including 50+ point games, multiple 20+ rebound games, 9 games with 12+ assists, Jokic became the first player ever - over Wilt, MJ, Lebron, Bill Russell, Tim Duncan, Oscar Robertson, Jerry West, Magic, Bird, KD, Kareem, Kobe, Steph, you name - to lead the playoffs in points, rebounds and assists.

No matter the teams, no matter how good (or shitty) the competition, no player in NBA history ever did that, until Jokic just did it.

You've got a strange definition of "not historic."

[–] NoSleeperSeats90210@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

you can type 7 more paragraphs and it wont change the fact that nuggets didnt play against a great team in the whole run

[–] denis-vi@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Now that's a take that is up for a nuanced and intelligent discussion!

[–] NoSleeperSeats90210@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

why tf would i be having an intelligent discussion on reddit about fucking jokic lmao

[–] denis-vi@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

That explains the arguments you're making. Have a good day then. πŸ™

[–] myst1cal12@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

People won't remember the KD Booker suns? People won't remember Bron AD Lakers? People won't remember the heat that made 2 finals and 3 conference finals in 4 years?

[–] sortarelatable@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That’s how being a 1 seed works

[–] NoSleeperSeats90210@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

ok? having a better team and winning once isnt historic

[–] sortarelatable@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

This post is about individual performance.