Absolutely. Slepwalked to the championship without any playes who have ever been an allstar. Beating at leaat 7 hall of famers along the way.
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Murray averaged 32 ppg in the WCF
He has never even been in the conversation to be an all star. Do you really disagree with that?
Next year
Should _ 2024 player off run be talked about as one of the individual all time great run?
Yea, guys put 30/13/10 numbers throught the whole playoffs all the time.
this dude still jerks off to that regular season win over the Nuggets
Something something his opponents were a 5 seed on average, weak competition something something.
This, but unironically
It's the only run ever, imo
No
yall might not like to hear it but that isnt for us to decide lmao. Its for the fans in 10, 15 years to decide if it holds up.
An "All time" run that just happened isnt something people in the present pick.
Do I think people will reference it much in the future? Probably not. Not enough moments, not enough memorable opposing teams, etc.
He went through a hell of a center matchup though. KAT Gobert, Ayton, AD, and Bam. Doesn’t get much tougher than that. Also, he made some ridiculous shots over AD.
Compatively, nothing compared to the prior couple generations of basketball honestly
This point isn't spoken about enough. That's a mean list to casually dispose of.
Yeah, who would reference the only time in history a player led the playoffs in points, rebounds and assists, or smashed the record for the most triple doubles ever.
there wasnt a single team that was favourite to win over them
That’s how being a 1 seed works
ok? having a better team and winning once isnt historic
This post is about individual performance.
For one thing, the Suns were favored not only in betting odds, but also by analysts (here are 13 out of 17 ESPN analysts picking the Suns to win the Nuggets series),, so you're making shit up, but even if you weren't totally wrong, that logic is hilarious: "Can't be that good if no one was favored over you."
No brother, that means you are good. The Lakers and Heat weren't favored over the Nuggets because Jokic was having one of the greatest postseason runs in NBA history, wafflestomping his way through the playoffs.
there wasnt a single team you went up against that will be remembered in 5 years, just being better than others doesnt mean you had a historic run lmao
In 70+ years of NBA basketball there have been hundreds of playoff teams, thousands and thousands of players, including all the legends.
In addition to blowing away Wilt's record for most triple-doubles in the playoffs while coming within a few assists of a 30+ point triple double average for an entire NBA playoff run, which including 50+ point games, multiple 20+ rebound games, 9 games with 12+ assists, Jokic became the first player ever - over Wilt, MJ, Lebron, Bill Russell, Tim Duncan, Oscar Robertson, Jerry West, Magic, Bird, KD, Kareem, Kobe, Steph, you name - to lead the playoffs in points, rebounds and assists.
No matter the teams, no matter how good (or shitty) the competition, no player in NBA history ever did that, until Jokic just did it.
You've got a strange definition of "not historic."
you can type 7 more paragraphs and it wont change the fact that nuggets didnt play against a great team in the whole run
Now that's a take that is up for a nuanced and intelligent discussion!
why tf would i be having an intelligent discussion on reddit about fucking jokic lmao
That explains the arguments you're making. Have a good day then. 🙏
People won't remember the KD Booker suns? People won't remember Bron AD Lakers? People won't remember the heat that made 2 finals and 3 conference finals in 4 years?
Led the playoffs in points, rebounds, assists
Most triple doubles ever in playoffs (correct me if wrong, not 100% sure on this one)
Only lost 4 games
Shot as efficiently as one can get on volume
Had a 50pt piece
Beat teams who had the top 3 defensive bigs in the league
Won without another all star on his team
Won on the back of 2 MVPs and and an mvp-worthy season
Beat all of these players - Anthony Edwards, KAT, Kevin Durant (2x finals mvp), Devin Booker (led a team to finals), LeBron James (😊), Anthony Davis, Jimmy Butler
I'm the biggest 'LeBron 2018's playoffs run is one of the greatest of all time' stan and granted the Cavs in that year didn't have anyone like Jamal Murray and a worse constructed roster than Nuggets this year (and no GS juggernaut), but if that run against the Pacers, Raps and baby Celtics is considered an all time one, then this one ending with a chip is up there guaranteed.
No
I remember when Dirk won in 2011. The mainstream media and fans hardly spoke about it. It feels like people within the last 4 - 5 years had started mentioning that 2011 run by Dirk and co by giving it the proper recognition it deserved. People won’t truly appreciate the 2023 run until later in the future.
top 10 playoff run by a player in the history of the league and its not debatable
"individual all time great run" is as much about how much people like the player or dislike the players opponents and how much the run meant in a historical or legacy sense than anything about stats or something objective.
People put Dirk 2011 up there for these sorts of reasons when his individual play wasn't really special even compared to what he accomplished in his prime when he simply didn't have the team to get it done.
Absolutely
Definitely deserves merit for how unfazed the Nuggets entire season was from December forward despite all the naysaying and he was pretty much the engine behind it all. His numbers in the post season were insane too but we’ve entered the era where the nuggets will need to do it again before people start calling it “all time”
It’s hard for me to call any recent playoff run all time great because of how soft the league has gotten. Last great playoff run was 2011 Dirk imo
Get this old head out of here.
The only championship run players with a highest WS/48 for their championship playoff run are outside of the 1950s are Michael Jordan in 1991, Chris Andersen in 2013, and Michael Jordan in 1996.
Anytime you’re in a list with only MJ and Birdman, you’re in elite company.
You can't control who you play, and the Nuggets were undoubtedly the best team last year. However, I fear Jokic and team will suffer from lack of historic matchups. There's nobody they faced that should have beaten them, nor did they face any "super teams". Should it be considered an all time great performance? Maybe. Do I think it will be? Probably not.
suns were (and are) a super team. 2 top 10 players and a top 10 center is a super team.
lmao
I think we'll have a better idea how good (or not) it was after this season. They beat teams which had deflated records relative to their standings:
The Timberwolves dealt with Towns missing FIFTY-THREE games. A lot of people felt he didn't look like himself when he got back, either. Will a healthier season for this core prove to be a better playoff seed? Or was their record together (15-14 in the games Towns got to play) indicative of the fit with Towns and Gobert?
Now if they are better, that could be because of improvements from Ant. It doesn't automatically make their playoff showing last season a lot more valuable. But it's evidence.
Similarly, the Lakers had a horrible start to the season. Multiple impactful deadline moves improved their standings greatly. They were 25-31 on Feb 9th, the day of the trade deadline. They would close the season 43-39. That's an 18-8 record down the stretch, or 69.2% win rate. Extrapolated over a season that rate is a 56.7 win pace.
Now there's arguments about strength of schedule as well as the affect tanking has on some team's records toward the end. But still, it's clear the 44.6% win rate team had a new identity after the deadline. So the question is: what if they maintain that improvement this season?
While they did make some more adjustments this off-season, a big part of it was retaining their own players. The core is still the same. If they play at a ~55 wins pace, that speaks to that group being as good as advertised.
Last we get to the Suns. The logic is much more flawed here, since the Suns made the most impactful changes to their roster from the playoffs to this new season. If KD and Booker look fantastic, you could argue they were strong in the playoffs. But mostly, the roster is too shifted for apt comparisons.
However, my argument here is centered on the Suns entering the playoffs at the favorites in the west, according to media and betting odds. They were looked at very highly. And it wasn't until posthumously that people brought up their seeding to belittle things.
It should be and has been talked about and viewed in that manner. People realize how incredible Jokic was in the playoffs last season and how incredible a player he is in general.
Hardly.
Just going off of eye-test/how unstoppable he felt, I'd say it was the greatest run since LeBron on the cavs. Booker was putting up peak MJ numbers, and yet Jokic was still dominating the game. And he did this every single game
Honestly, the only argument against his run is that the competition was weak last year. I think a fully healthy Bucks team could've made for an interesting series, but we didn't get that.
Absolutely
Nah weak competition lol
Lebron Curry Durant
All generational talents and Jokic ran through all of them with ease.
The Jokic love train is kind of done at this point. Can we find a new circle jerk?
...it already is