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Apparently pedestrians should take personal responsibility but not drivers

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[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 days ago (4 children)

It’s been decades since I started driving but wasn’t 25 MPH taught as when most accidents with pedestrians became fatal? 50 kmph is much faster.

[–] abysmalpoptart@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I think the math is a little confusing. 50 km/h is about 31 mph, which is very close to the number you're thinking of

Edit: the person knew the math and was commenting that it is a big difference in speed, my bad.

[–] Dozzi92@lemmy.world -5 points 2 days ago (3 children)

That's beyond 20%, which is the rule I use for speeding. I never go more than 20% faster than the posted speed limit, except on the New Jersey Turnpike, where all bets are off.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Did you just admit to speeding on Fuck Cars? May god have mercy on your soul

[–] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 days ago

Not the speed limit apparently

You were in NJ and keeping up with traffic is important

[–] abysmalpoptart@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I'm not debating that 31mph is over 20% faster, which is certainly more likely to get a speeding ticket. The context I was replying to was "25mph is the speed when it's fatal to a pedestrian, and 50km/h is ~~so~~ much faster." In the context of life and death, considering both would be potentially fatal to a pedestrian, those numbers are not substantially far apart.

I took that original statement to be an honest mistake in not realizing those two numbers used two different measurements.

Edited to fix the paraphrased quote

[–] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, I meant that anything above the 20% threshold is too fast! But below is within the Goldilocks zone.

[–] abysmalpoptart@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah I get that. I try to stay close to the speed limit myself, but try more often to take the train or to walk whenever possible. I wish it was more widely available in the States and not a horrible chore to try and use transit in most states.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Also just dangerous...my local train system is simply not safe to use once it starts getting late as a woman. I truly wish I could use it more often, but the safety factor makes it very difficult for me.

[–] abysmalpoptart@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

It's such a sad reality, and I'm sorry that you experience that.

I think part of it is the mandatory driving culture - if you can afford a car you will drive, so you only take public transit if you can't afford to drive yourself. That, plus public transit in the US is typically only available in high population cities, and it feels like there's little law enforcement around transit locations.

I'm sure there's other reasons as well but it's a really unfortunate situation altogether.

[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

“much faster” not “so much faster” and IMO 25% is a sizable difference.

[–] abysmalpoptart@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Thanks for the correction. I'll edit it, though i was intending to paraphrase and not provide a direct word for word quote.

It's a bit of a semantic debate at this point as to what constitutes a substantial difference in the context of competing scientific studies, but in a casual conversation.

I was under the impression that the original person did a mistake in the mental math. I'm not trying to critique how people feel about differences in speed.

[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

i am the original person. the point of my comment was to explain why I thought that.

[–] abysmalpoptart@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

I'm tired and missed that, thank you for the clarification.

[–] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

Ah, the American brain.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Literally any amount of increase in speed increases fatality risk.

[–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 3 points 2 days ago

25mpg is about 40 kph. 50 is moderately faster.

[–] bss03@infosec.pub 3 points 2 days ago

As long as it's not so low my cruise control won't work. (j/k)

When Fayetteville started switching to 20mph for capillary streets, my "complaint" was that my cruise control only works down to 24mph, but I still welcomed the change. Public safety needs to be a bigger focus and should be the primary driver of regulation.