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first of all, its two projects. second both got most promotion by them then other projects they sponsered. third their official people (not sure how high up but still) have responded in the thread badly. fourth the thread has no positive affirmation that they care about the fascism support but more "this specific case is probably not that", its not hard to say u dont support fascists
The assumption is that they believe a not-insignificant portion of their customers are fascist or fascist-adjacent.
If everyone upset about this boycotted and tanked their bottom line, they'd probably shift gears in a heartbeat.
But I suspect that the number of fascist/fascist-adjacent customers is high enough that they need both groups' money to survive.
Well being tolerant with fascists is a no no.
We're taking about being tolerant with a company that's tolerant of fascists.
If I'm tolerant of that, would you tolerate me? Where do we draw the line?
Not trolling, but I get that it sounds that way .
You have to tolerate everyone until they are actively intolerant. If you jump the gun on not tolerating someone or something too early, then you're being intolerant.
We're talking about fascists, them being intolerant is literally part of their description.
Beliefs are allowed to be intolerant, it's acting upon them that is the issue. The tolerant utopia isn't one where everyone agrees, it's where everyone agrees to leave each other alone until someone isn't leaving someone else alone.
Examples of acting upon your intolerance:
Guess what applies to every fascist and company we're currently talking about. They do not "leave others alone" as you put it, and Framework strengthens their position through willful ignorance. So for the love of anything that is good, stop with your rhetorical nonsense.
This is how fascists gain absolute control. We're seeing it unfold right now
Isn't preaching intollerance just a different mechanism to have others be victimized by intolerance?
I mean, if you're convincing others to do something, fully in the knowledge that they will do it, whilst you did not do the deed yourself you certainly purposefully made it happen.
At the risk of Goodwin-ing my own post, Hitler didn't directly murder many people (if any), yet he murdered millions.
Or coming at it from another side, is somebody who gives rope to members of the KKK during a linching of a black person knowing that they'll use it kill that person not acting intolerant?
My point being that whilst the boundary between being deemed as acting intolerant or not is indeed as you say not merelly the holding intolerant beliefs, that boundary is also not all the way at only directly acting in intolerant ways being intolerant acting.
It makes sense that preaching intolerance is acting in an intolerant way if one expects it will lead to acts of intolerance from others - it has the same objective, just using others as tools - and that at least some forms of knowingly supporting somebody who directly commits intolerant acts is itself an intolerant act because it knowingly enables the intolerant acts of others.
Most of the laptops framework sells are sold with a windows license. Only a small subset of their small subset of Linux customers are technical enough to consider which compositor they're using, and even fewer of them are even aware that hyperland exists and is a fascist project.
This is very in the weeds. Considering this deliberately marketing to fascists, or indicative of the company's assumptions about their customers broadly is an insane stretch.
Framework sells microsoft products in their store, when microsoft is actively involved in helping the IDF commit genocide in Gaza. Framework bundles microsoft products in the pre-built versions of their computers. That is far more indicative of their attitudes to their customers than their donations to open source.
Keep the pressure on, do what you can to make open source better and uninviting to fascists, but keep perspective of reality while you do it.
Is this true? I thought they were specifically marketed to tech people because of the repairability and modularity. I didn't even know Windows users were aware that Framework exists.
If they actually think that, they have an even worse market research department than microsoft.