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[–] HurlingDurling@lemmy.world 123 points 6 days ago (2 children)

This sets an alarming precedent where a sitting us president can kidnap the acting head of another country (elected or not) which is an act of war, without the us being at war or having authorization from congress.

[–] lennee@lemmy.world 79 points 6 days ago

see the logic is only the US can, anybody else cant even arrest netanyahu when he flies over their airspace cuz for some reason that would also be an act of war towards the US

[–] Ooops@feddit.org 17 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

You seem to not understand the term precedent. Neither is that a new thing to do for the US nor is it actually requiring congress authorisation. They gave up that power long ago and now don't need to autorise anything for up to 90 days.

Also the US has not declared war once since WW2... They actually set the precedent for "military operations" and -again- not recently either.

[–] pyrinix@kbin.melroy.org 7 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Has the US not declared war in 2001?

[–] PoisonTheWell@reddthat.com 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Technically no. Congress passed the AUMF which let the President go after anyone they deemed complicit in 9/11. It did not declare war against specific nations iirc.

[–] pyrinix@kbin.melroy.org 7 points 6 days ago (3 children)

From my understanding, when you're lobbing missles to another country after another country does something horrendous to you. That's declaration of war.

When the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, that was a declaration of war against the US.

So how can all of what you said, not be a declaration? It doesn't matter if Congress passed this or that. Shit happened, we went to war with Afghanistan, we sent soldiers and fired shit over to the Middle-East. Yet not a declaration?

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's an act of war, not a declaration.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago
[–] ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's normally done by congress before they start shooting missiles. 

[–] pyrinix@kbin.melroy.org 7 points 6 days ago

The point is, America has thrown out formalities. If we think we're justified to do shit, we're going to be firing missles. We did just that!

We're not that country anymore. Anyone can bring up WW2 and whatnot, well guess what? During WW2, America had dignity. We don't now, not for a while. We just shoot first, ask questions never. That's how it's been for a while.

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

"I didn't say it, I declared it!"

But seriously, declaration of war is a legal term specific to each country internal law system. War, as a legal term, hasn't actually been a thing either in international law since the 50s. It was changed to armed conflict. Which, before you think is stupid and why not call a spade a spade, is actually not that stupid. It created a well defined but much broader concept that (this is the important bit) is independent of a country's internal law standing or diplomatic declarations thereof. If a situation fulfills the criteria, then it is an armed conflict whether the countries involved like it or declared it. It gives tools to nation states and international organizations to do certain things on the international stage more freely in these situations even when the countries involved don't want them to.

[–] thallamabond@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

The last time the United States formally declared war, using specific terminology, on any nation was in 1942

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States