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How does each hold up in a collision tho? Crumple zones take up space, not something terribly present in the kei truck.
Not that this makes the 2500's faults or anything. It just seems worth noticing.
The one on thebleft is definitely better at killing people
Better to kill than be killed
This absolutely inhumane attitude is why we're dealing with people's monster trucks killing people on the road and greenhouse gas killing people the drivers haven't even met.
Especially considering a lot of collision deaths are pedestrians. Better to kill the pedestrain and get away with an accident than injure the pedestrian with the kei truck and end up getting sued.
"FORD F15-THOUSAND, GUARANTEED TO KILL PEDESTRIANS ON THE FIRST IMPACT OR YOUR MONEY BACK"
Emotional appeal🥱
As if you reasoned yourself into your position rather than being a coward.
Dude I just want to get to work, not participate in an arms race.
Oh definitely, helps if every third car or so is like the one on the right. Would be nice if the government subsidised the right ones and not the ones on the left
Its a tin can basically. Theres a reason why you cant import new ones, you have to wait 25 years. Also terrible emissions for its size.
Another reason you can't import light trucks from over seas is because there's a 25% protectionist tariff on foreign light trucks. Combined with a practically non-existent market for them there's no incentive to try and sell them here.
If a Smart Fortwo can meet those standards there's no reason a kei truck couldn't be made to meet them as well.
The smart fortwo had 340 more ccs, and .1 meters wider.
Kei trucks are basically road legal gators.
So basically, "fuck other people! I care about my own safety and that's it!"
Lovely sentiment, no wonder the US is doing so great.
Nah, it was a simple question about the overall efficacy of surviving a crash.
And if you had participated in other parts of the conversation, you'd see that there is actually movement on that front. TL;DR, since you seem in a hurry, both trucks are equally safe at a speed that most collisions happen ( under 40mph ).
But if you want to make that about "AMERICANS ARE EVIL", I can't really stop you. <3
Wait.. Do you not care about your own safety? When all other factors are equal, you'd prefer to just be dead?
In a collision, fewer people die with the small vehicle.
Is that because it only fits one person?
Except that the studies don't suggest that. In other parts of the thread, the risk to life and injury works out to be roughly the same for the average collision.
Unless your commentary is: "Less seating means less people involved." In which case: Good job, hard to counter.
Also, this is America. I hate being the murica guy but... Other countries have these windey roads that go around mountains because they're seen as obstacles or they just don't have mountain ranges to deal with. Here in America we see a mountain and we see it as a challenge. We build roads directly and straight through the most convenient straight line to the next city.
Now me as a Seattle person I look at the vehicle on the right and I see a great around the town LIGHT hauling truck that would be very useful within those confines.
If I want to go beyond that like say taking the family to Idaho/Silver Lake or even Sun Lakes I'm screwed. Going up the pass with that I'd be surprised if I broke 50mph with that, the speed limit is 70. Not sure where I'd put my family during that drive tbh but let's pretend they don't exist... Now I'm up in the pass while going 20 under the speed limit without dieing... What if there's snow? There's snow for half of the year. I'm straight up screwed in that car in the right.
Not sure why you would go on a family trip with a work truck. The Japanese truck is specialized for work, because it's silly to have a work truck that you go on big family trips with.
That said, a quick google for Japanese trucks just picking the first one I can find - the Mitsubishi Minicab - it seems they can go 70mph. The Mitsubishi Minicab has a top speed of 72mph.
Because some people can’t afford more than 1 vehicle.
Also, yes the Japanese truck can go 70, but that’s on an even plane. Put that thing on even a 5% incline and I doubt it’d get up to that speed. It’s difficult to maintain any vehicle at 70 on an incline.
It's a lot easier to afford more than 1 vehicle when they aren't specifically designed to rip you off. But this is a working vehicle. It generates money. If you can't afford a personal vehicle, oh well, you're no worse off than four billion other people.
Of course it’s supposed to generate money. That doesn’t mean it will generate enough to pay for a second vehicle.
Dodge enters the chat, flourish gestures silently at the Pacifica Hellcat minivan
eyeroll Fucking Dodge owners.
Lived in Utah with many a mountain road. People go well over 70 on an incline daily.
Oh, also remember the truck is governed at 70. Meaning it will take having the pedal to the floor to maintain that 70mph on an incline. It’s much easier to maintain a speed and even go over when your vehicle doesn’t have a governer on it. Mine is governed at 96.
Are you talking cars or trucks? It’s easy to get up to 70, it’s hard to maintain if you’re not constantly keeping your pedal on the floor. I currently live on a mountain, so I’m speaking from experience. I drive a 350 though and I’m sure it’s easier in a car.
The Japanese minitruck is a lot cheaper than the American truck, both in purchase and in use. If you buy a purpose built vehicle for work and personal use (or, even better: use public transit for the latter) in Japan you likely spend less than you do buying just a large pickup in the United States.
A 2023 F150 in the US starts at $33k. A 2023 Mitsubishi Minicab in Japan starts at $12k. You can almost buy three of them. The F150 has a fuel efficiency of 20mpg. The Mitsubishi Minicab has a fuel efficiency of 39mpg US. On top of that, maintenance will be cheaper with a smaller and cheaper vehicle.
It's also worth noting that large vehicles incur social costs external to the consumer. A larger vehicle wears down roads quicker, requiring more government subsidy or higher taxes for road maintenance. A larger vehicle takes up more space, requiring wider roads and larger parking spaces, which makes infrastructure more expensive and sprawling; the latter makes cities less walkable.
A larger vehicle has a bigger environmental impact, negatively impacting health - leading to more spending on health care - and to a larger burden on the climate - requiring more spending on green energy and carbon offsets. A larger vehicle is less safe in collisions, leading to more deaths and graver injuries, again requiring more spending on health care.
Granted, the United States has remarkably poor infrastructure and civil planning for a rich country, making it difficult for its citizens to rely on superior modes of transport, and incentivizing bad transport outcomes. I certainly don't blame any American for deciding to buy an American car; the country is just designed around them.
All of these are great points to take into consideration, if you’re looking for a truck for personal use. You also compared the mini truck to a 150. You also failed to compare the load capacity of both vehicles if the 150 is used for its intended purpose, same with a 250 and 350. For instance, what is the load capacity of the mini truck compared to the F line? Am I able to haul a 5th wheel with the mini truck?
If I could, I’d buy 3 sedans rather than the 1 truck I currently own. But I wouldn’t be able to do my job. Id have to switch careers and we all know how easy that is in the current job market. I can’t haul shit in a sedan, pulling a loaded 26ft trailer is out of the question. It’s laughable imagining a sedan trying to pull a tractor.
These are some of the things people in these threads tend to forget. It seems like everyone sees a truck, closes their eyes, and just assumes the owners are dicks. And I’ll agree, tall truck owners are dicks, most of them are young who think they own the road.
But non lifted trucks? 90% are being used for its intended purpose. Lifting a truck lessens the load capacity so owners who need the truck for work, won’t lift it. At most, they’ll level it if they aren’t going to need the full load capacity.
I feel like you're taking this discussion way too personally. You don't need to defend your own purchase here. I already granted that anyone's choice of transport is hugely influenced by environmental factors, and in the United States those favour very big personal vehicles.
Even if that weren't the case, there will always be niches in which a specific choice makes sense, even if the choice were broadly asinine (which - again - choosing a large vehicle is not if you're in the United States). I am not (and no sane person in this thread) is arguing that there are no valid use cases for these vehicles, even in a country where infrastructure and society is designed around smaller vehicles.
Yes, the load a minitruck can carry is a lot less than a large truck. That doesn't take away the fact that the focus on huge personal use vehicles in the United States broadly has a lot of negative externalities.