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What accerationists don't realise is that the average liberal already knows the US is fascist and evil billionaires control everything. That average liberal wants change. But they aren't doing anything, because they're thinking "surely when it gets REALLY bad, people will rise up". Just like the accelerationists. Accelerationists and liberals are the same group.
I think they're thinking "shit I can barely survive and have two jobs and I don't want my kids to starve and I'm taking care of my elderly parents. I can't go riot or my whole family will suffer."
That too. Making things worse doesn't help the revolution. Making things better helps it. Now that Trump's in charge, it's only gotten harder to use direct action and civil disobedience.
No. They always think the current moment is the exception and everything way very respectable and dignified historically.
That's why you've got liberals venerating Reagan, Clinton, and Bush, having completely whitewashed the horror of those presidencial eras from their minds.
I don’t think you can find a liberal who thinks the Reagan or Bush presidencies were anything but bad.
“Did we ever think we would see the day when we would say, ‘Please bring back George W. Bush’?” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi said during an interview with Evan Smith last week. “We really did work together.”
I’d rather get shot in the arm instead of the head but that doesn’t mean I think getting shot in the arm is good.
I just found 96 liberals who fit that description.
Saying "hey they might have cared a bit about institutions compared to maga" is not venerating.
Not the same meaning at all. Not even close.
So no you didn't find 96 people that fit that description.
When you mingle meanings like that, I'm just gonna leave it at that.
"Venerate" may be an exaggeration, but the rest of it, thinking everything was "respectable and dignified" and "completely whitewashing the horrors from their minds" fits that to a T.
You found 96 people who upvoted the comment saying Trump is worse than bush was and that Mitt Romney would be better than Trump is.
There’s nothing there saying Bush or Reagan were good.
Feel disgusted defending is still defending.
But it’s not saying Bush or Reagan are good.
Nobody said "good." The other user said "venerating" which was an exaggeration but all the rest of what they said, thinking "everything was respectable and dignified” and “completely whitewashing the horrors from their minds” 100% applies to that comment.
No it doesn’t.
I’ve said it elsewhere in this thread but I’d rather get shot in the arm instead of the head but that doesn’t mean I think getting shot in the arm is good.
That is the point that comment is making.
That's ten thousand percent whitewashing.
There used to be a day when republicans sold out the US they made damn sure it was to an American.
I get their sentiment behind that statement.
So then the reason you don't think anyone's whitewashing anything is because you also whitewash them.
That’s not at all what I’m saying.
It certainly sounds like it is.
Bush did not "actually care about America." He sent Americans to die in pointless wars so that his rich buddies could get even more rich. He pioneered the surveillance state. He created ICE.
If you hadn't forgotten the horrors and weren't whitewashing him, you'd be as disgusted and repulsed by anyone talking nonsense about how he was "respectable" or "cared about America."
Bush was a horrible war criminal who should be spending the rest of his life in gitmo untouched by light but I’d rather have him as president right now.
And you don't have any problem with people saying that a "horrible war criminal that belongs in gitmo" "actually cared about America?"
That comes right back around to the point that when Bush sold out the US he sold it to Americans.
So does Trump.
If anything, selling out to foreigners would be preferable, because the American bourgeoisie are the direct enemies of the American proletariat. The stronger and richer they get, the more power they have to make my conditions worse, to make me accept lower wages, to endure and subvert strikes and unions. It's just straight up nationalism to think strengthening the American bourgeoisie somehow benefits regular Americans, like it's gonna trickle down somehow.
Cone on we’re having a good conversation here speak English.
I don’t read enough theory for that to make sense to me.
When the rich get richer, they have more power to make poor people's lives worse. I don't want rich Americans to get richer because they will use that to keep me down.
If you only care about rich Americans or white Americans, you don't "actually care about America" in my book.
That’s probably where the disconnect is because republicans think to be American you have to be rich and white.
By comparison they were great, at least.
That is pure nonsense.
You aren't going to find liberals venerating Reagan, Bush, and Clinton because those people only exist in your mind. They don't exist in reality.
How Democrats Came to Feel Nostalgic for George W. Bush
Former Democratic Representative Katie Hill tweeted, “In a million years I never thought I’d be crying watching this, thinking how much better we’d all feel if Bush were president today. Wtf.”
Saying "we worked together" isn't venerating JFC.
Not even close to the same thing.
Do you have anything intellectually HONEST to add to the conversation, or are you done with this sophomoric attempt at propaganda?
Oh, you scratched yours, didn't you?
Nobody where I live has any respect left for the USA, except for fascists. Peter Dutton tried following the American model and he lost his seat. We hate your country.
Australia is American Plus.
Your county is doing everything the US does on steroids. It's just too small for anyone outside the South Pacific to notice.
Albanese and Trump signed a minerals deal just last October, ffs.
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese welcomes the extension of the US-Iran ceasefire, says his government has been in regular contact with US and that President Donald Trump would 'always be welcome' in Australia.
No. Many far left groups we're literally saying the same shit in the comic.
That makes them liberals. My purity test for leftism is whether you're actually putting in effort to make the world a better place. Millions fail!
It's amazing how many things are called liberalism, centrism, or leftism on the fediverse. It reminds me of the way socialism and communism are spoke about in far right groups.
Definitions change to meet the needs of their point. Too many people need a better education and a history lesson.