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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 152 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Vance is an idiot. But on this point he is right. And that is by design of leading Republicans and Rupert Murdoch, that set out on a plan to achieve exactly this. That a Watergate situation should never destroy a Republican President again.
And it worked already under Reagan.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yup. Ronnie Raygun had the most criminal administration in history - at least up until Donvict's anyway - by objective measures.

And then topped all of that criminality with Iran/Contra.

Also, I have no idea how the October Surprise theory was ever considered "absurd" by serious adults: https://jacobin.com/2023/03/ronald-reagan-jimmy-carter-1980-election-october-surprise-iran-hostage-conspiracy-theory

And I'm sure their schemes did something to blunt what was arguably much, much worse than Watergate. Another part might simply be that boomers had less fire in their bellies at that point and were flipping over to yuppiedom.

Most narratives today only mention Watergate, and forget about Iran/Contra. I would not be surprised if most of Gen Y and younger are not even aware of Iran/Contra, which is a shockingly brazen crime.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

I have no idea how the October Surprise theory was ever considered “absurd”

Disgusting, typical scumbag republican move. 🤢

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I don't even think he's an idiot.

Evil? Oh hell yes. But 95% of the time he is just saying stupid shit that inbred MAGAs want to hear, or that will make old guard Democrats stammer and guffaw at... (which is the desired effect, they just look privileged and haughty and holier than thou when they do that).

The funny part is when they think he believes in anything other than how smart and cool he is.

[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 4 points 6 days ago

Except that he's arguing that it wasn't news worthy, and the "deep state" made a big deal out of nothing to destroy Nixon's presidency.

In other words, don't believe your lying eyes.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 6 days ago

they learned from the watergate instance, and was working OT for the past 40+years of removing that stigma. REAGAN AND then fox/limbaugh was the final straw.

[–] left_is_best@feddit.online 40 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Rupert Murdoch's Fox News, headed at its founding by former Nixon advisor, Roger Ailes, who in 1970 participated in the development of this memo:

https://theintercept.com/document/a-plan-for-putting-the-gop-on-the-news/

All those notes are written in Ailes' hand.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The thinking is done for you.

Like WTF? Republicans have been training sheep all along, it's not just a saying, it's literally true!!

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

considering most of the voters very low info, and dont even follow up on gop politics, as how it affects thier state, economy thier laws,,,etc, except to vote for this one issue, that makes sense.