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BEETLEJUICE BEETLEJUICE | Official Trailer (www.youtube.com)

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[–] Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

There is such a thing as too many throwbacks.

[–] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 months ago

Almost every single gag was done in the first movie.

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It looks ok. The premise is actually really bad. But I guess Michael Keaton, Jenna Ortega and of course Wynona Rider can make it work.

[–] Zorque@kbin.social 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Did you see more premise in the trailer than I did? Cause aside from one or two lines "Can the living and the dead co-exist" it's mostly just loosely connected "Hey look" moments.

[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

I thought people didn’t want trailers that gave away entire movie plots…

[–] pikmeir@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

I think that narration line was also specifically recorded for this trailer, since it's the same audio as when Winona is sitting in the chair (also not part of the movie).

[–] dumbass@leminal.space 6 points 4 months ago

Come on, Catherine O'Hara is in it, that alone is gonna be great, especially of Burton lets her goes ham with the character, which we know will happen.

[–] Missmuffet@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

I JUST saw an old joke about rich people telling one another "The poors are starting to complain, make another beetlejuice movie" and now this

[–] Twinkletoes@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago

Meh 😒

[–] CarlosCheddar@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Boebert is gonna love this!

[–] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Fuck it, I'm in.

[+] CodexArcanum@lemmy.world -11 points 4 months ago (4 children)

You ever notice how there's like, zero brown-skinned people in Tim Burton movies? Glad the shrunken-head guy got a bigger role in this one though, he's African right?

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

[–] protist@mander.xyz 9 points 4 months ago

90% of the cast of Tim Burton movies is Johnny Depp and Helena Bonham Carter

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

His aesthetic is almost exclusively pale cool blue-tones. Brown skin looks entirely too warm to fit the sickly vibe. Kinda like how someone a couple weeks ago was talking about why you don't typically see dark skinned people in newspaper comics: it doesn't read well in black and white, it really only works in Sunday full-colors.

[–] graymess@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Nonsense. There are plenty of examples of cool-toned films featuring black actors. Moonlight is the obvious example. With proper lighting and modern color grading techniques, this is a bad excuse for exclusively casting white people in movies.

And you don't have to make up excuses for Burton. He can tell you himself why he doesn't feature people of color in his movies.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That doesn't really look the same as Burton's general lighting, and that article doesn't really give a comprehensive answer.

[–] graymess@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You'll notice his answer isn't "My films require pale skin to achieve my vision."

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Nether is it incompatible. You're the one who said he answered it himself, his answer is basically that there's no point in shoehorning diversity for diversity's sake.

His cinematographic aesthetic is well established: people look like dreary, desaturated corpses; on several occasions they literally are corpses, or as close as possible. Nightmare Before Christmas, Beetlejuice, Corpse Bride, Dark Shadows, Sleepy Hollow, Sweeney Todd, and Edward Scissorhands are all heavily centered around the dead, dying, undead, or reanimated dead. His films that aren't explicitly focused on corpses still typically maintain the same corpse-like mood. It's easier to make pale skinned people look like corpses.

Dude's not racist, just goth. I dunno why recognizing this has to get twisted into "making excuses" for him. Nothing he said in that interview contradicts anything I said.

[–] graymess@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I'm saying both you and Burton have shit excuses for not casting non-white actors. Calling the representation of non-white actors something to "shoehorn" into a film means both of you consider white skin the default, which is at least ignorant of reality if not racist.

And it's easier to make white people look like corpses? What a weird statement. As if Tim Burton shoots on a sub-indie budget that can't afford makeup and lighting, where worrying about the shade of an actor's skin is even a factor when you have the resources of major film studios to achieve any look a director desires.

Lastly, Burton being "goth" is maybe the funniest reason you've provided so far. My dude, have you ever been to a Goth Night at a club? I guarantee you'll find that's a subculture just as popular with people of color as it is for white folks.

[–] Tikiporch@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

I didn't look too deeply at the cast, but Jenna Ortega is in this.

If she ends up in a remake of The Munsters, I'm afraid she is gonna typecast herself.