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[–] knova@links.dartboard.social 36 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I think even calling it Lemmy is not the right move. Yeah, Lemmy is the server software running on a bunch of instances. But we also have kbin, and new softwares will pop up and fork and come and go over time. Once we can do some kind of account or community level migration, it won't matter whether you are on Lemmy or kbin or the next great thing. Everything will be federated so it will inter-op beautifully. If an unfriendly instance admin comes along, we can collectively cut and run with minimal interruption.

Thats still a way off from where we are now but the hard step was getting to the Fediverse in the first place. So, welcome to the newcomers among us.

[–] FiskFisk33@lemmy.one 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

this is the future nerds like me have been imagining since the early 2000's

[–] norb@infosec.pub 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Laughs in BBS

or

Laughs in Newgroups

[–] Anarch157a@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Web Rings. Remember those?

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[–] melmi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I think the concept of the Fediverse is still really alien to people, even the people who are using it. Everyone is still so used to their centralized platforms, so they still think of the Fediverse in terms of platforms rather than as a whole.

You still hear people say "Mastodon" to mean the microblogging corner of the Fediverse even if they're not actually on Mastodon, and now people say "Lemmy" to mean the link aggregation corner of the Fediverse even if not everyone is actually on Lemmy.

[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I recently found and like the term "threadiverse" for reddit-like federated software

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[–] BeHereNow@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

undefined> calling it Lemmy is not the right move.

Spankin' new here, so what do I know, but while the semantics might not be completely accurate, that is not an uncommon occurrence. And Lemmy sounds personal, with a bit of a Motorhead edge to it.

Maybe we'll all be called Lemmies web slinging in the Fediverse one day.

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[–] koze@feddit.de 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's funny to read this article about the death of Digg again:

In reality, Digg changed their business model and pretended that they didn’t. That is something that is unacceptable with communities and won’t be forgotten. Reddit co-founder Alexis Ohanian hit the nail on the head in an open letter to (now former) Digg CEO – Kevin Rose:

“You chose to grow with venture capital and you’ve no doubt (I hope) taken some money off the table in your Series C round. I say this because this new version of digg reeks of VC meddling. It’s cobbling together features from more popular sites and departing from the core of digg, which was to “give the power back to the people.”

https://searchengineland.com/digg-v4-how-to-successfully-kill-a-community-50450>

[–] Luxsidus@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Sadly, this is the only logical conclusion of things that are run for profit. Here's hoping the federated model proves more resistant in the long run.

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[–] tezoatlipoca@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 year ago (10 children)

You're missing the precursors:

Email -> Newsgroups -> CGI forums / IRC -> Slashdot... :)

The new Fediverse really is kicking up IRC and newsgroup vibes for this old timer. Its very exciting.

[–] cstine@lemmy.uncomfortable.business 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As a really old person, I was thinking today the vibe was unlike anything I've felt since Fidonet ;)

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[–] carewornalien@whata.clusterfsck.com 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The Fediverse seems like an interesting idea, but I hope it actually holds together.

[–] mobyduck648@beehaw.org 13 points 1 year ago (6 children)

The bar for being Reddit circa 2010 isn’t that high to be fair, I know expectations have changed but Reddit was down intermittently for years to the point I’m amazed it got the traction it did in hindsight. People talk about Lemmy having tankies on it as though early Reddit didn’t have some even worse unsavoury subs and users too.

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[–] a1studmuffin@aussie.zone 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I imagine as Mastodon and Lemmy pick up more users, we'll see a lot of activity and improvements in the underlying tech of the fediverse. Should be a fun ride, especially since it's in the hands of the community.

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[–] fernchatadmin@fernchat.esotericmonkey.com 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It'll be great to see more people showing up on Lemmy.

[–] nii236@lemmy.jtmn.dev 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

People are so confused and overwhelmed about the fediverse mechanics though.

Maybe there is room for a product that is an aggregator for aggregators. Like, a centralised service that scrapes and collects all Lemmy instances into one super instance.

[–] hal@sopuli.xyz 15 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Its actually simple. Tell them, its like Email. You have an email account at gmail, but can perfectly fine have email conversation with someone on outllook. Lemmy instance = the same as a web email interface of any email provider. Most people will get their head around that.

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[–] l4sgc@beehaw.org 10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Pardon my confusion since I'm new to the fediverse as well, but isn't every Lemmy instance like the super instance you are describing? You can access any community on any instance from any other; there are commentors in this thread from beehaw.org, lemmy.world, lemmy.sdf.org, programming.dev, and many others.

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[–] Silviecat44@vlemmy.net 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

for me it was just

reddit --> Lemmy

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[–] david@quo.ink 18 points 1 year ago (6 children)

So many long forgotten relics and old friends lost to time.

bbs, usenet, irc, aol chat rooms, aim/icq/msn messenger (by the way, anyone remember Trillian?), geocities web-rings, various phpBB forums (shoutout neopages), oekaki drawing boards, livejournal, stumbleupon,

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[–] stn@infosec.pub 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

There was del.icio.us as well!

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[–] Hellebert@beehaw.org 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Tried the official Reddit app today and boy people weren't joking when they say it sucks. I thought it'd just be the usual experience plus some ads but I was totally wrong.

The official app doesn't respect your subreddit subscriptions at all, instead force feeding you feeds of whatever their algorithm thinks will drive maximum engagement just like a shit version of Facebook. The "hot" etc functionality is completely stipped from it entirely.

Guess I'm here to stay on the fediverse now.

[–] SharkEatingBreakfast@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

What absolutely sucks about this is that I had carefully curated my subscriptions on RIF in order not to exacerbate my dumb mental health issues.

Hell, I've read angry posts about people in recovery from addiction and alcohol saying how they keep seeing ads for beer or gambling and things like that.

It's horrifying!!

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[–] l0st_scr1b3@beehaw.org 13 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Gonna be honest it's kinda weird to me as someone who did just move over that there's a bunch of posts from people who just found the Fediverse claiming it as home while there's people who have been here since it's creation. It's got the implication that this was created as some sort of next jump from Reddit which doesn't really seem to be the case from my perspective.

[–] vinniep@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That feeling makes sense, but I think everyone knows that the Fediverse wasn't created specifically to give them a landing in this event, just like Reddit wasn't created to catch the Digg refugees, etc. More of a "next phase in the evolution of this concept", and while it took a catastrophe, they're ready to consider that it's time to move on now.

The trick is going to be walking that line between preserving what made the Fediverse great and not alienating the newcomers. I think there's room for everyone, though, and really the big advantage of the Fediverse - we don't have to agree to co-exist, and can even co-existing completely separately if needed.

[–] l0st_scr1b3@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I think you bring up a pretty important point about federation in that it allows for and even encourage expansion in some ways, so that's a good way to keep optimistic about it. I guess I just feel a little embarrassed. Especially when you look at posts like the recent one asking Lemmy users how they feel about the reddit refugees, and it's flooded with responses from Reddit refugees instead offering unsolicited feedback about design choices. Then you have threads like this with people laying claim to the fediverse more or less. It just feels like some kind of a Christopher Columbus situation. While I realize that might be a little tone-deaf it's the best analogy I have for it.

[–] Kalkaline@lemmy.one 8 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Any community is a sum of it's members, good bad, or otherwise. I think there will be a wave of us Reddit refugees, but also word is going to spread to other places like Meta and hopefully bring in even more people. Getting people sorted into servers that are going to be able to handle the load, or even better getting them to host their own servers is going to be the way to go. Sorry if we're stumbling all over your garden in the meantime.

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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I bet some early Redditors felt the same way about the DIgg refugees.

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[–] Cobe98@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Same fucking journey as you. Reddit was a good run for 10 years, let's see if Lemmy can work.

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[–] cap_net_admin@beehaw.org 11 points 1 year ago (6 children)

If you still have a Reddit account, unsub all the subreddits that are refusing to participate in a strike.

[–] pleasemakesense@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Fucking scabs

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[–] Breakpr0d@aussie.zone 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I realise that this is unpopular. But personally while I disagree with the decision to charge (exorbitantly) for the api and appalled at the slander hurled at the dev, I think that is an business choice and one more item that I have to disagree and live with.

But I am very excited about the rise of the fediverse. I know that a company will eventually make a decision that I feel very passionately about, but I will be stuck making a difficult choice. With the fediverse, it provides the users with the opportunity to have control. This power of course often comes with various other costs (lack of a dedicated sre or moderation teams, etc). But I expect that over time this will evolve into options where paid offerings will come up that allows for higher QoS where required.

[–] totallynotsocsa@beehaw.org 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Honestly, if spez hadn't already sold the site to white supremacists, I'd be a lot quicker to defend this.

[–] itty53@vlemmy.net 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The api changes really were about protecting their gold mine of data from ai data models scraping for data. Reddit wants to use that data to create its own models and then replace moderators with those models. The ultimate goal here is to turn the existing dataset into an automoderator on steroids that they could sell anywhere. Trouble is someone else is going to beat them to it.

There was a reason these changes lined up so nicely with Google doing the same thing. Everyone's realizing they've been spouting their gold from firehoses and they're being reactionary and turning them off asap instead of just like, accepting it as a facet of having a public social network.

[–] MaoWasRight@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Who are the white supremacists he sold to?

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[–] MobBarley@beehaw.org 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Renegade BBSes -> IRC -> slashdot -> digg -> reddit -> imgur -> discord -> mastadon
with plenty of side quests along the way

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[–] h14h@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Digg -> Reddit -> Lemmy

After experiencing the death of two "power to the people" platforms due to profit-driven VC-backed corporate meddling, here's hoping the third platform is the charm Lemmy & the fediverse.

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[–] Ecksell@lemmy.one 9 points 1 year ago

Such is life, nothing lasts forever. I could think of a good song for this, but nothing comes to mind yet as Im enjoying watching that Twitch counter of closed subreddits counting up nonstop.

[–] ZeroCarbon@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

My only problem is that we are in 2023 and we still need to read a bunch of text. Why can't we have holograms and a sexy AI whispering us the comments?

[–] HexTrace@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

Be the change you want to see in the world.

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[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago

I skipped Fark, but my progression is largely the same. Once in a blue moon, I still visit Slashdot. It's like checking up on an ex to see how they're doing.

[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not going back too far, mine was IRC > Slashdot > FuckedCompany > Fark> 4chan > Reddit > Digg > back to Reddit lol > Lemmy

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[–] skycat@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago

Finally more people moving to fediverse

[–] thunderbird32@fedia.io 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

For me, Slashdot->Digg->Reddit->Kbin

We've moved once, we can move again

[–] Spitfire@pawb.social 7 points 1 year ago

Time for a new start.

Though Lemmy is very new, it’ll be exciting to see it grow over time.

[–] EonNShadow@pawb.social 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Journey Before Destination

[–] MJKee9@lemmy.one 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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