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Despite what Canada's nation hating extreme right would have you believe.

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[–] MooseGas@kbin.social 94 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I don't think you have to be extreme right wing to have legitimate concerns for the future of Canada. The country is literally on fire. Houses are over $1 million and health care is barely functioning.

I'd hate to see the other guys I guess.

[–] Mudface@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Groceries are fucked, gasoline is fucked, interest rates are fucked, can’t buy a house, can’t buy a car (or probably shouldn’t right now), dollar is fucked, schools probably going on strike again, a Canadian team hasn’t won the Stanley cup in 30 years …..

[–] MooseGas@kbin.social 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't forget the corrupt politicians who will never face any real consequences.

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[–] PaganDude@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And what's really fun is that despite the housing crisis, many home builders outside the big-3 city areas are running slow right now because regular people can't qualify for housing. I've only been working 5-12 days a month for the last year, between a shortage of framers (many moved to Ontario in 2021 due to work slowing), shortage of materials, and now interest rates killing purchases.

We're so fucked, and anyone in a position to fix things just refuses to. If you build public housing, prices drop and you get voted out by angry house owners. Don't build houses, and both homelessness and living standards get so much worse, and you get voted out by angry poor folks.

[–] Mudface@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

I am construction industry adjacent and business has been really bad

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[–] WiseThat@lemmy.ca 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

See, that's the thing. The 10 factors in the ranking include 1) Entrepreneurship, 2) "Open for Business", 3) "Movers", 4) Power, and 5) "Agility", or a place that is 'efficient in its actions, adopt and accept modern solutions'

So, like, half the factors are "how badly do you screw the environment and average non-capital-class citizen"

And in case you think I might be wrong about what they mean by "Movers", the top 5 are the UAE, Qatar, Egypt, Saudia Arabia, and India.

Of COURSE our country, which is composed a bunch of oil, gas, and mining corps in a trenchcoat shaking hands with a couple of oligipolistic banks and telecoms will score well.

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[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

No, but the extreme right call Canada a dictatorship, a third world country, a shithole, etc. Hell, the leader of the official opposition called our freely and fairly elected right of center milquetoast Prime Minister and his father, "Marxists." It's ridiculous. Literally worthy of ridicule.

Most of the people who are complaining have no frame of reference other than being brought up in the safe, warm busom of one of the best countries in the world.

[–] MooseGas@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is scary. Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree that Canada is a great place to live. However, we can't take that for granted.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

Absolutely true. There are problems but they are first world problems and we really are very lucky to live here. I just bristle at hearing things like, "Canada is a dictatorship", no it isn't, "Canada is a third world country", no it isn't, "Justin Trudeau is a Marxist and so was his father", ridiculous. Some people need a dose of perspective.

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[–] RickyWars@lemmy.ca 69 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Go Canada, but I think this might show how much more of a depressing state the rest of the world is in

[–] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago

That's what it looks like from Finland as well. Often in high rankings, it's just horrible to know what others are going through

[–] danielquinn@lemmy.ca 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

As a Canadian expat, these sorts of surveys are an embarrassment. Canada is not that great. It has some good things going for it, but "second best in the world" is a laughable statement.

  • The wealth disparity is terrible
  • Nearly every inhabited patch of land is a suburban hellscape.
  • The government is routinely dedicated to accomplishing as little as possible, especially on climate
  • The fossil fuel lobby is embarrassingly strong
  • The cost of living is extreme for many, with little effort to reign it in
  • The country suffers from an inferiority complex in relation to the US of all places.
  • The electoral system is broken

I mean, I love my country, but I've seen a lot of places that I'd rather live. The idea that we're 2nd best compared to even half of the countries I've visited in the last 10 years is just silly.

[–] Polar@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Meanwhile my girlfriend just got back from travelling around Europe and all of those "superior" countries, and couldn't wait to get home.

Said everyone was rude, taxis scammed her frequently, the public transit was pretty subpar with no other choice, the food was pretty mediocre, she had to be extra careful about pick pocketers, and lastly she said everyone stunk so bad from perfume that she had a constant headache.

Canada isn't perfect, but it does have a ton going for it.

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've been to Europe many times, and my experience has been the total opposite of what your girlfriend describes.

Europe is huge. Don't judge a whole continent for what your girlfriend experience is maybe one or two places.

That's like saying that North America sucks because your girlfriend got mugged in Juarez, México.

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[–] Cr4yfish@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Out of interest, which places in Europe?

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 31 points 1 year ago (21 children)

United States is fifth.

Yeah, "best" is a rather vague metric, and in this case, simply bullshit

[–] mindcruzer@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Hey the USA is a great place to live if you make good money. Not a great place to be poor though.

[–] Grimpen@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pretty much. Most of the best Universities in the world. That most of it's citizens could never afford to attend. Many of the best Hospitals and specialty clinics in the world. That again most of it's people can't use.

Most American's are somewhere in the middle, and I'm sure the median household has more disposable income than most other first world countries, it's just that the prosperity is so unevenly spread.

Granted, some would speculate that it is because of the unevenness that the US is so prosperous, but I would dispute that. I think the US could go a long long ways towards helping it's less fortunate without compromising it's prosperity.

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[–] SourSweetChaos@feddit.de 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Thursday@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

us is #5 because of propoganda.

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[–] Harpsist@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (11 children)

No body said it was the best country - for a citizen - no no no. Its the best country for giant corporations!

Tired of wood, wetlands, and natives being of the way of your accident waiting to happen pipe line? Go Canada!

Don't want to commit actual genocide on your native population? Rather isolate them in small communities then poison them with water unfit for even the most hearty of a animals? Go Canada!

Your wealthy friends want to make billions buying and selling green protected land? Go Ontario!

Are the homeless an eye sore to your wealthy friends visiting? Don't worry, here in Canada we have 6 months of winter to clean up those unwanted eye sores.

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[–] Mudface@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (5 children)

If this is the second “as good as it gets” place in the world … omg

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[–] mindcruzer@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

I have been to a lot of first world countries for extended periods as a digital nomad. Canada is not even in the top 5 imo

[–] mudeth@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As a digital nomad, I'm guessing you would have been to relatively low CoL places like Bali, Thailand, maybe Eastern Europe or LatAm. You have to remember that your experience as someone from the global north, earning in a strong currency is very different from a local person there.

Not that i disagree with you that rankings are flawed but by the same token, Canada /is/ in the top 5 for many people from low standard-of-living countries

[–] mindcruzer@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Typically you’d be right but as a DN I actually spent most of my time in North America and western Europe—mostly in countries people would compare Canada with (UK, France, Spain, Norway, Germany, USA, Australia, etc.). I never went to Asia or South America as a DN. Actually the only time I stepped foot in LatAm was in Panama for a month this past winter.

It really changed my perspective on Canada. I don’t think it’s a bad country at all but I don’t hold it in as high regard as I once did. Every country has its strengths and weaknesses. What those are is different for everyone. Canada is squandering immense potential in my opinion. If it wasn’t for family, there are several places in the USA I would consider living long term instead.

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[–] nailbar@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Which one is your favorite county?

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[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But Poilievre says Canada is the worst place on earth!

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago

He also says that it milquetoast right of center Prime Minister is a Marxist. He's a liar but the people who believe his nonsense are fucking idiots.

[–] Yazer@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago

Thanks Trudeau. Can't get us to #1.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Through a survey of over 17,000 people from 36 countries

Oh, so subjectively "better"? What about objective measurements, like how many people are a paycheck away from losing it all? Or the cost of living? Or worker rights?

Specifically, Canada was chosen as the:

  • 2nd best country to start a career
  • 4th best country for education
  • 7th best country for studying abroad
  • 7th best country for raising kids
  • 2nd best country for racial equality
  • 6th best country for women
  • 6th best country for comfortable retirement
  • 6th most transparent country
  • 2nd best country to headquarter a corporation

Imagine a sports team coming in 6th place for most tournaments, and never winning first in any of them, yet they win an award for being the 2nd best team in the league... makes no sense to me.

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[–] pancakes@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It might be the second best, but I feel like that's more of a statement on the rest of the world failing in specific areas than on Canada excelling.

We're a B- student in every class. Sure, it's not the highest score and in every subject we're usually surpassed by other countries, but most other countries don't have a B- average due to major issues of some kind.

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[–] IndiBrony@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They'd be first if it weren't for the baby vomit covered airline seats!

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