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You’ve got to let the police do their jobs, number one. Number two, you have to do a policy of stop and frisk. When you see a guy coming down the street and you can — the police know every one of them. They know their middle name. They know where they live. They know every one of them, the local police, and they’re great.

You got to let them do their job, stop and frisk, and take their gun away. You’ve got to do it. If somebody has because they have all these guns — you know, it’s very interesting, the toughest gun law, the toughest, by far, in the whole United States is in Chicago, and yet it’s the most — it’s —

Let all your Republican 2Aer friends and family know.

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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 398 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (10 children)

Everybody calm down. There's a reason that the 2Aers won't get mad about this.

This is as racist of a dog whistle as you can get. Lots of people are aware "stop and frisk" really means "stop and frisk minorities and plant drugs and weapons when you can."

So it's perfectly in line with the "law and order" bullshit. Don't expect a lot of anger about these comments. To the shitheads, these comments are directed at the "right" people. Cops wouldn't stop and frisk them, they think, because cops know that they're a law abiding citizen by the color of their skin.

Racists gonna fuckin racist, man. First gun control we ever got in the USA was because white people got freaked out by black people with guns.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 99 points 3 months ago (5 children)

You might be able to chip a few away by calling him a "gun grabber." They probably won't vote for Harris, but they won't vote for Trump either. They might just sit it out.

Chip a few away here and a few away there... that might be all that's needed.

[–] Gork@lemm.ee 44 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

Gun Grabbin' Donnie

That's G... r... a... b... b... i... n... Apostrophe

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 39 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago

When you’re a cop they let you do it.

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[–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 36 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Fascists don't win on facts and logic, they win on affect.

He says one thing about guns, but means something about hurting minorities. His electorate only cares about the second part. Literally anything you could argue about the first part is worse than useless, because through sheer power of denial they'll revert to affect on this well-practiced talking point (”Trump love guns, Trump hate [insert slur here], Trump just like me"). You can't win on this battlefield, no matter how objectively and obviously right you are.

That's why "Trump is weird" is so unbelievably more effective than "Trump is a rapist", "Trump is a fascist", "Trump is a criminal" or "Trump is a traitor". Pointing out his weirdness directly undermines his affect. "We're not going back" calls back to the constant feeling of dread of his presidency. Ironically when dealing with humans, but especially when dealing with fascists, affect and core values are more important and less malleable than facts.

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[–] frunch@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

They probably won't vote for Harris, but they won't vote for Trump either.

This is actually possible. There's a "don't tread on me" type that has been using their yard as a political billboard for years and i just recently noticed that while they're still anti- our current Democrat governer, they took down their pro-Trump stuff as well. Now there's some sign about Jill Stein that's up but seems a lot less flamboyant.

[–] meeeeetch@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago

Gun Grabber Don? You mean the only 21st century American president to sign an unconstitutional gun ban?

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[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 42 points 3 months ago

Same reason the NRA barely made a peep about Philando Castile. Licensed to carry a gun, dutifully announced that to the officer, and got killed for it. A year later they said that was a shame or something like that and then immediately forgot about it again. White agent of the state good, black gun owner bad. The conservative gun rights movement has always been motivated by racism.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 22 points 3 months ago

Conservatism is "there must be outgroups for the law to bind but not protect, and in groups for the law to protect but not bind" manifests again, here.

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[–] Freefall@lemmy.world 214 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They know he means "take guns from black people". They support that.

[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 22 points 3 months ago

What I came to say. They know precisely what he means and they support it wholeheartedly.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 105 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Republicans: You can never take our guns!

Trump: Take their guns!

Republicans:

[–] towerful@programming.dev 44 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I'm pretty sure the whole "the police know who they are, they know where they live, they know their middle name" bit means not-white-male.
So, it's a 3-way tug-of-war between gun fanaticism, their reincarnated jesus, and racism

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[–] Cort@lemmy.world 41 points 3 months ago

Republicans: yes I'm still voting for the face eating leopard party!

[–] ours@lemmy.world 38 points 3 months ago (2 children)

It wouldn't be the first time. Like when Black Panthers were enjoying their 2nd Amendment rights. All of a sudden Republicans jumped on gun control.

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[–] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 74 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The NRA is awfully quiet all of a sudden…

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 41 points 3 months ago

They'll just reshape it to "illegals with guns"

[–] VantaBrandon@lemmy.world 69 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So what you're saying is... you're coming for their guns? Just making sure. OK.

[–] beebarfbadger@lemmy.world 43 points 3 months ago

No, obviously not the guns of real people, just the ones who get stopped and frisked by the police. Y'know... the ones you can tell are evil because they're... y'know, wink wink nudge nudge "urban".

[–] Dorkyd68@lemmy.world 67 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

So he's calling for en mass racial profiling for a gun round up essentially only in Chicago. Jfc. This man is deranged. Bruh this would never happen.

Furthermore, can this man not put a sentence together? Like at all?

Imagine him trying to order something at McDonald's drive through. He'd be like " I'd like a big Mac, great burger, excelle... ya know, the great people of Texas, their cattle, best cattle and let me tell you.. also an apple pie, have, have you ever had an apple from Nebraska? Best appl... Anyway so I'm talking to the mayor of Lincoln, Lincoln Nebraska and he says, he says Mr president that apple this apple it's for our troops and the troops are, it's like I tell my kids...... and on and on he goes until the drive through employee commits suicide via dipping head in deep fryer

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[–] iamheresoiwillnotbefined@lemmynsfw.com 61 points 3 months ago (1 children)

OP and everyone in the comments are pretending he's talking about the 2nd amendment but he's just talking about good old fashioned racism.

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[–] AlternatePersonMan@lemmy.world 59 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Every time I read a quote from this idiot it hurts my brain. I could go on about how stop and frisk is a horrible, racist policy that is a violation of basic rights, but just reading anything he says is painful. His speech is so jarring, erratic, and logically flawed. I've listened to average second graders express their thoughts more eloquently than this piece of garbage.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 29 points 3 months ago (2 children)

My niece was 2 years old when she said "Uncle, I'm scared of the dark, but juice is in there."

And she wanted one of those capri-sun juice packs. I told her there's nothing to be scared of in the garage. She can leave the door open so she can see what she's doing, but she should get the juice herself.

I expected to have to turn on the light, and maybe even get the juice for her, but I wanted to see how long until she asked for help.

Well, she was still scared, but she walked all the way in, picked up 2 juice packs, and came back inside.

I asked what the 2nd juice pack was for. She said "I got one for you!"

It was the proudest I'd ever been as an uncle. I taught her to face her fears, and in doing so she showed that even when scared she still thinks of others.

Which is more than I can say for trump and his way of thinking. He would have made the story into some self serving story where he battles a monster in the dark, and slayed a dragon, and everybody loves him. Meanwhile what actually happened is he got some underling to bring him the juice because he was too scared.

Whereas my neice faced her fear, overcame it, and thought of others while doing it. THATS real bravery! And more human growth than trump has ever displayed. Plus I actually understood what she was trying to convay. They may have been short sentences, but they were complete sentences. Plus they didn't drift off halfway into some racist rant. Mostly because she isn't racist and is raised better than that.

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[–] ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 57 points 3 months ago (12 children)

"Take the guns first, due process later"

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[–] m0darn@lemmy.ca 44 points 3 months ago (3 children)

If they know these people are active criminals they will have no problem citing just cause for arrest and search.

I live in Canada, our gun rules are different than the USA. This week in my city some charges against a dangerous criminal were dropped because the police had a "flagrant disregard for charter rights" (according to the judge) (oir charter rights are similar to American civil rights)

They searched him improperly, and found a loaded, illegal gun. Charges dismissed. If they had handled it properly they could have made the charges stick. What a waste of everyone's time. Police didn't respect his rights because they don't respect my rights.

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[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 43 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

When you see a guy coming down the street and you can — the police know every one of them. They know their middle name. They know where they live.

Like when we see a convicted felon coming down the street and we know his middle name is “John” and he lives in Palm Beach?

[–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 38 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (6 children)

so, once again, Trump is talking about putting in place 2A restrictions. I guess he wants to be like Reagan.

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[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 38 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

stop and frisk was awful but regular Republican voters don't remember it because they've never lived in a city. most of what these idiots talk about has nothing to do with them at all

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago

Regular republican voters dont remember it cause they were never a target for stop and frisk, because the melanin content in their skin isnt typically high enough to trigger cops.

[–] Emmie@lemmings.world 38 points 3 months ago

I feel like I lose iq from reading this

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 37 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The media and the people often do gymnastics to "translate trump" and interpret his dog whistle gibberish... STOP.

Don't read into this, read it on it's face and report it out to whoever - "trump wants to take your guns. Period."

Its black and white , right from his weird mouth with the "old man foam" frothing up on the sides.

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 34 points 3 months ago

First they came for the imaginary guns of imaginary black criminals, and I said nothing... Because I was also imagining their weapons and crimes and hiding in my little baby coward bunker of a home trying to buy bulletproof pants online that would make people think that maybe I might not have a tiny, weird penis....

[–] cultsuperstar@lemmy.world 32 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Pretty sure this was on the topic of gun control, he said "take their guns away and go through due process later" but his 2Aer followers don't remember that.

[–] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 30 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

No no no, you don't get it, it's the ~~black~~ other guy's gun /s

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 29 points 3 months ago

Those 2nd Amendment lovers? When you're their golden idol, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab 'em by the gussy.

[–] SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago (2 children)

TRUMP: First of all, you — I know the people in Chicago. I know the police, because I built the building there. I spent a lot of time — the building, it was a — it’s a great building, a really great building.

How are serious people, seriously voting for this guy again?

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[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 25 points 3 months ago

Sounds like the unfiltered 'stream of thought' of an 8 year old.

[–] fox2263@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago

Nice ramble of a second paragraph there.

[–] shiroininja@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 29 points 3 months ago

The people the drug war targets. Black people, latino people, anti-war people, etc.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

Who it always is.

It always comes down to bigotry.

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

It won't matter to Republicans, they'll even agree with it, because to them, they know he's talking about bad people, and by "bad people", he's of course referring to low-life black and latino thugs, people who really shouldn't be having guns (in their minds). They just don't want their own guns taken away, they don't care if other people have their guns taken away.

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[–] kamenoko@sh.itjust.works 20 points 3 months ago

What a racist tiny handed weirdo.

[–] Revonult@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago (2 children)

He's so close! Somehow his racism took him down a weird convoluted path and ended up with gun control.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I’m sure that only applies to a) people of a different skin color first, then b) poor white people a distant second.

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