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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/5340114

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San Francisco police told Polygon that officers responded to Unity’s San Francisco office “regarding a threats incident.” A “reporting party” told police that “an employee made a threat towards his employer using social media.” The employee that made the threat works in an office outside of California, according to the police statement.

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[–] MossBear@lemmy.world 135 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Three years ago after trying Unity for a month I chose to learn Godot instead. I see now how right that decision was. Well done past self. Have a future cookie.

[–] Zeth0s@lemmy.world 79 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (17 children)

For me the rule that has always worked is "bet everything on open-source". It has always paid off.

When people at uni used Matlab, I learned R (before R-studio even existed) and python. I moved to linux as soon as I could. I never wanted to learn anything MS or Apple specific, or proprietary technologies such as visual studio, excel, vba, c#, SAS. I went on docker ASAP...

Now the world in my field runs on open source tecnologies, and I am the leaders of the "new stuff" wherever company I go.

On the long term learning open source solutions is always a win. Best case scenario it becomes the industry standard, worst case scenario it gives you the know how to master proprietary tools

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

C# and Visual Studio are pretty great now, and they don't lock you into Windows at all. Most of C# is open source.

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[–] evatronic@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

For what it's worth, C# is a ECMA standardized language (https://www.ecma-international.org/publications-and-standards/standards/ecma-334/) and has a linux-based implementation (mono -- https://www.mono-project.com/docs/about-mono/).

Though it is hard to overcome the obvious Windows origins of the first implementation.

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Preach it! One of my colleagues writes all his machine learning code in Matlab. Brilliant person, has done some incredible research, but can do anything with the code because no organization is going to bring Matlab into its clusters and pay for all the licenses needed to run it. So while plenty of presentations and papers have been written of this research, the actual process of letting people use it takes an additional army of Python developers to translate and test every new feature and enhancement.

This is what happens when you build your career around walled garden platforms. Inevitably, you'll reach a dead end. Focus on learning tools that enable you the most. Open source will always win in the end, because it will never come with this very heavy piece of baggage that proprietary tools have. This is why the internet is built on Linux and not Windows.

Unity is the same way. When you build your career on a technology that a single company can strip from you on a whim, that's a big risk. I really hope that Godot and other open source engines take off after this. It will be a painful transition for many developers, but hopefully it's a lesson very well learned.

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 10 points 1 year ago

For me, it’s “learn everything”.

The best devs in XYZ language/framework aren’t the ones who are experts in XYZ, but the ones who are just good enough in XYZ and 15 other things that they see what XYZ excels at, and lacks, and how patterns from elsewhere could be adapted to supercharge XYZ’s strengths and mitigate its weaknesses.

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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 118 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Soooooooo it wasn't "the gamers" making the credible threats after all, even if I wouldn't put it past the gaming community to make threats of this nature.

[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 60 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What even is "the gaming community" anymore? Basically everyone except boomers play games.

[–] FinalBoy1975@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What is a community? Recommended reading: Imagined Communities by Benedict Anderson.

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[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm not sure if anyone at Unity ever accused the gamers, we all just jumped to the conclusion because that's exactly the kind of thing the scene would do.

I'm pretty sure back when I made games, it wasn't Unity employees sending me unhinged tantrums because a number was changed from an 11 to a 12.

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[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why would anyone be surprised?

That Unity employee could have been put up to make those threats to smear the policy's detractors for all we know.

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[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 85 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They should not be getting death threat from employees. They should be getting legal threats from the SEC, and prosecuted for insider trading.

[–] cjsolx@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Should should should should should

Nothing works within our government anymore.

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[–] charles@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I thought after some initial inflammatory headlines, ultimately the stock sale was a periodically scheduled sale. Has information on that changed?

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 84 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

A nice company has a great product and is well liked by its customers.

New executive manager comes in and thinks "how can I quickly get a huge bonus"? The answer always is implement new changes that will tuin the company in a year and a half, but that manager will have received his bonuses and is gone, leaving the company in ruins.

I can't say 100% for sure that this is what happened, but whenever something like this happens, it's just somebody deciding they want a quick buck

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 84 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"an employee made a threat towards his employer using social media"

Wow. That's... probably against their internal social media policy.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago (3 children)

HR won't take kindly to that on their annual performance review.

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 50 points 1 year ago

"The customers love you, your colleagues respect and trust you... but upper management have expressed concerns about your comments around flaying them and their families alive."

[–] DontTreadOnBigfoot@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

"let's see...areas for improvement. 'Fewer death threats towards co-workers"."

[–] RogueBanana@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There won't be another annual review if the company stops existing

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[–] TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 80 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Honestly at this point I feel worse for the guy who made the threat than anyone else. Can you imagine what is like working with those sort of bosses with such exploitative tendencies and an utter disregard for an entire industry? They get to ruin countless lives but if anyone gets mad that's the unacceptable one who is punished.

[–] HKayn@dormi.zone 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Then why don't they look for work at another company?

Making death threats is still a major dick move regardless of the circumstances.

[–] xantoxis@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It is, but all we have right now is Unity's claim that this is what happened. We don't even know the content of the threat, who made it, why they made it. All of that context could cast this in a wildly different light. I am very suspicious of Unity the company's motives here in saying this when we haven't heard from anyone else.

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[–] TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It might have been wiser, but seems to me we got to a point we should be thinking of the circumstances.

Besides, that only would have solved their individual problem, IF they even managed it. The way the company is being run would remain the same. How it would impact all the people who rely on that engine would remain the same.

It's "never acceptable" to threaten someone, but intentionally ruining countless people's livelihoods is "nothing personal". Something is off about that.

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[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Or he is just fucked up in the head. That is a possibility too.

[–] Elderos@lemmings.world 14 points 1 year ago

Unity employees have extraordinary working conditions and pay. It sucks that their hard work gets tarnished by stupid executives and poor PR but let's not paint the employee as a victim here.

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[–] Tacos_y_margaritas@lemmynsfw.com 66 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I can just see their PR team last night planning to spin Unity as a victim after the death threat, in an effort to stop the bleeding, only to find out it was one of their own employees.

[–] lanolinoil@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

the call is coming from INSIDE the house?!?!

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[–] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 38 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Seriously, tf is going on over there at Unity?

[–] Chariotwheel@kbin.social 79 points 1 year ago (5 children)

People with passion wanted to work on a great project only to see how the vision was corrupted and turned into a monster.

Like, the regular employee isn't excited about shit changes either.

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[–] muse@kbin.social 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Either someone hates to see their company burn to the ground and responded in an extremely immature way, or a higher up went "let's get this public town hall canceled in a way that people feel sorry for us. SIMMONS! MAKE A DEATH THREAT NOW!"

The former seems the most likely, but I always hold out hope that it's middle management being a dumbass as corporate's gonna corporate

[–] Chariotwheel@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The CEO and his cronies don't understand that people work for more than money. They think all people come into work just to do what is required to get money or, if there is ambition, to rise through the ranks and make more money or have ideas that make more money.

However, there are people, especially in projects like this, that are also there because they believe in something. Believe that they can help creating something special that helps people. Unity has it's dominance among other things because it's an easy to use and easy to learn tool that enables people to create games that would've otherwise had trouble getting into development.

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[–] Blizzard@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 year ago

They are rebranding to Disunity.

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[–] Paradox@lemdro.id 31 points 1 year ago

As always is the case. It's a pr stunt

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Didn't we call this yesterday? I am certain I saw multiple posters on here predicting pretty much exactly this.

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[–] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

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[–] TigrisMorte@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

As requested by the CEO for cover.

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