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Chat control is back on the agenda again and the works is kept in secret.

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[–] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 153 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Now it's really starting to look suspicious and power abusive.

[–] Blizzard@lemmy.zip 48 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"Starting looking suspicious", huh?

[–] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 41 points 2 months ago

Here I meant that their previous attempts were less shady, even though the intentions were suspicious. Now the methods of getting this law passed are getting suspicious too.

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[–] CaptainEffort@sh.itjust.works 125 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Wasn’t this just shut down…?

[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 128 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No, it was withdrawn, removed from the agenda so there was no vote, now it's back on.

[–] EntropyPure@lemmy.world 78 points 2 months ago (2 children)

To add on this: removed because it was clear the vote would not have been in favor.

Was pretty clear that it would return sooner rather than later.

[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 54 points 2 months ago (4 children)

They will try until it passes. And if it's stopped in the courts they will try again.

[–] EntropyPure@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago

Yeah, same with forcing ISPs to save connection data on all users long term. European court slapped on the hands a couple of times, still not done. Like some kind of undead policy

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[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 35 points 2 months ago

Yeah, same as the last 15 times they tried.

[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 98 points 2 months ago (2 children)

so we can't have secrets but they can?

[–] sleen@lemmy.zip 96 points 2 months ago (2 children)

"Why do you care if you have nothing to hide?"

Government: hides their plans

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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 25 points 2 months ago (42 children)

That's what it means to have a democracy for the ruling class.

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[–] Papanca@lemmy.world 92 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The content of this document is not accessible. Nevertheless, a request for access can be sent to the department.

[–] baxster@sopuli.xyz 104 points 2 months ago (6 children)

I will make a request and then post it.

[–] gregor@gregtech.eu 51 points 2 months ago

Pleasepleaseplease don't forget, we must see it!

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[–] James_Ryan@discuss.tchncs.de 65 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I gonna lose my shit.. How can they force it this much

[–] nous@programming.dev 108 points 2 months ago (2 children)

They only need it to pass once, we need it to be rejected every single time.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 38 points 2 months ago

This right here. We need to do the right thing over and over again, because once it passes it's done.

[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 24 points 2 months ago

Literally how hackers operate.

The hackers need to succeed once to get in. You need to succeed every time to not fail.

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[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 59 points 2 months ago (2 children)

For fuck's sake, guys, c'mon! Do we have to do this again, really?

[–] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 29 points 2 months ago

Again and again, as many times as it takes to get through, apparently

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[–] jjlinux@lemmy.ml 57 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The content of this document is not accessible. Nevertheless, a request for access can be sent to the Access to documents department.

Shady as fuck too.

[–] 0x0@infosec.pub 51 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I just requested it. Shame on them for trying to keep this in the shadows, bunch of crooks.

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[–] sleen@lemmy.zip 50 points 2 months ago

The children they deem to protect are trembling in fear right now.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 50 points 2 months ago

Here we go again

[–] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 41 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] nehal3m@sh.itjust.works 92 points 2 months ago (3 children)

That’s the idea. State actors can keep this up for decades while we the people end up exhausted. Stay vigilant, brother.

[–] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 36 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You are absolutely right. Not doing anything is playing their game.

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[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 33 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So what actual people are responsible for this? If somebody were to dox them, they wouldn't care, right? Because nothing to hide, nothing to fear right?

[–] tesfabpel@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

the Council is made up of national Governments.

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[–] TCB13@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (10 children)

First they obliterate telegram (most likely the only ones that would not comply and still offer service in Europe, Facebook and Apple would just comply, Signal would drop Europe) and a few days later they restart talks on this.

[–] independantiste@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 months ago (15 children)

Telegram isn't in trouble because they are a ""private"" messenger because 1) they aren't and 2) they basically asked for it. They are hosting pirates, drug dealers and scammers and they refuse government requests for the data they have about the user. That is the issue: not complying with data requests. For example, signal, a truly secure messenger, will comply with data requests and will send the authorities everything they have about a user, which is really not that much to begin with. This whole Telegram story is absolutely unrelated to chat control

[–] endofline@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I beg to differ - meta both facebook and Instagram have loads of issue with crimes like human trafficking, pornography including the revenge one, scams and even live streams of rapes.

Every time you try to report scams or even impersonating anybody they reply "it doesn't violate community standards"

Is Zuckerberger being accused of human, sex , pedophilia and drugs trafficking

https://www.firstpost.com/world/instagram-enabled-paedophiles-to-find-child-pornography-prey-on-children-12707612.html

https://variety.com/2023/digital/news/instagram-pedophile-network-child-pornography-researchers-1235635743/

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/jun/07/meta-instagram-self-generated-child-sexual-abuse-materials

Of course it is about chat control. American companies do allow sniffing the traffic, "the russian" telegram doesn't allow sniffing.

That's the only reason

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[–] dsilverz@thelemmy.club 28 points 2 months ago (5 children)

"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – for ever" (1984 - George Orwell).

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[–] mo_lave@reddthat.com 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] httpjames@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 months ago

Spam 1 if we should be worried

[–] Xtallll@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 45 points 2 months ago (2 children)

From what I can glean, it's another sort of mass surveillance, wherein the provider of a chat service would be required to monitor communications for "suspicious activity"

Basically, the government is once again asking for unrestricted access to your personal life "for your own good"

[–] Cataphract@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I always thought the "see something, say something" tag-line was creepy as fuck and don't understand why everyone doesn't get the same vibe. It's common sense that if you see someone being harmed or in a harmful situation you speak up. But this is just a blanket "see something" which feels like a dog whistle for all the nosy and paranoid people to spy on everyone and it's for the best. I guess we'll have the same personalities in search algorithms going forward -_-

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[–] cumberboi@slrpnk.net 21 points 2 months ago (3 children)

This flowchart explains it well: Chat control flowchart Source

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[–] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 months ago

Shit here we go again.

Already posted about months ago : https://lemmy.ml/post/16469106, it was refused but they will try each time, again and again. Waiting for the 4 September result.

[–] MoonlightFox@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I live in Europe, but not in a EU country. Is there anything I can contribute with?

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