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  1. We're trying to improving working conditions and pay.

  2. We're trying to reduce the numbers of hours a person has to work.

  3. We talk about the end of paid work being mandatory for survival.

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[–] SighBapanada@lemmy.ca 93 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I feel like a water slapper sometimes in how pointless my job is

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The entire marketing industry

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If your product is good, it will sell itself with the most minimal of advertising.

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This demonstrably untrue otherwise there would be no reason for huge market controlling products to advertise. I don't believe in the wisdom of the markets and I'm not sure why you do.

[–] scubbo@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

That's not the case. The following two statements can be simultaneously true:

  • a sufficiently-good product would sell through word-of-mouth
  • corporate executives are not satisfied with the small amount of purchases this would generate, because they want more profit.

Advertising is a way to generate morepurchases (and so more profit), but it might be increasing from a non-zero amount.

I don't think that the person you're replying to is entirely correct (some products or markets really do require advertising to make consumers aware), but they're closer to right than they are to wrong on a level playing field. But if the other side is using advertising, you basically have to do the same in order to remain competitive.

[–] idiomaddict@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

The fax machine was around in the 1800s. If they’d realized, they could have done wonders, but the product never really caught on until it was about thirty years from being replaced.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

My job is basically to do things to the pixels on my screen in a way that the pixels on your screen do something interesting/helpful/valuable.

[–] XTornado@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Pixel Slapper.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Would you rather slap water?

[–] SighBapanada@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sit next to a pond and slap water? Hell yeah. Fresh air, nature, automation. What's not to love

[–] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 year ago

Sore joints. Sitting on wet grass all night. Mosquitoes. It's cold.

This is not a time of leisure. That's a job and it comes with all of the negatives of one.

Slappin palm would get sore

[–] flossdaily@lemmy.world 92 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I wonder if the ultra rich understand just how much genuine malice is directed at them.

People were cheering for the submarine to implode.

It really seems like the world is full of tinder, waiting for a spark.

[–] Pisodeuorrior@kbin.social 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Nah. People get really pissed when they're REALLY hungry.

We're kept at a perfect balance, we can't afford top shelf stuff, but most people have enough to get by.

Sure, it feels like everyone is a medium-sized misadventure away from financial collapse, but still, we get by. We have Internet, shows to stream, cheap shitty fast food next door.
No one can be bothered to go outside to chop heads demanding to redistribute wealth.

Especially considering that half the population has been talked into believing that by pulling your boot straps you can get as rich as Elon Musk, and Trump is literally Jesus.

There's no revolution incoming, just occasional angry tweets.

[–] flossdaily@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Revolutions are most closely correlated with food insecurity, yes.

But in today's JIT economy, and the vulnerability of our supply chains, it's not hard to imagine a set of circumstances where suddenly a huge swath of the population suddenly not knowing where their next three meals are coming from.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Good point. COVID exposed the weakness of the JIT model, and then we all went "huh, that's a funny noise for an engine to make" and kept using JIT.

[–] llama@midwest.social 4 points 1 year ago

What does JIT really mean though in the context of consumer goods? There's plenty of stores stocked full of stuff that will be on the shelves until the food expires. Sure some stuff like TP got wiped out but nobody was buying the random brand of wild rice I like. Does that mean we should have more regional stores of specific items that move quickly instead of trucking it all from Bentonville?

[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Climate change will push things at some point

Probably in our life time too

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

80% of Americans deal with precarity. Food precarity, rent precarity, job precarity, family precarity, health precarity.

So a lot of us are feeling the discontent.

But we lefties arent used to planning violent protest (say sabotage and mischief. We'd rather not actually kill anyone.)

One possibility is the right-wing doing some sparking. A group of militant extremist reactionaries might load up and massacre a venue to get the civil war started.

Or the government could pass some laws resulting in mass incarcerations of non-violent offenders (say abortion seekers or LGBT+). Once that starts turning into capital punishment of young women protests might turn into arson of police and state facilities. We saw a bit of this with Iran with the Mahsa Amini protests or in 2020 US with the George Floyd protests.

[–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm unsure of the relevance of a gamepad

Nevertheless, the seeming absurdity is funny and I'm here for it

[–] FeeshyFish@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's how they controlled the sub. You can buy one if you want.

[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 6 points 1 year ago

Ohhh of course, you're right, that's why it looked familiar!

[–] meyotch@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The choice of a game controller to steer the Titan was the least-sketchy and most-defensible design decision made in that case. As a tinkerer and maker myself, you want to invent the fewest number of new things when inventing a new thing. It just makes sense to focus on the central goal. The goal was build a sub (poorly it turns out), not invent a new way to translate button presses into motion. That’s a solved problem.

[–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Disagree. The fact that he chose a cheap third party controller instead of sparing no expense and using something better tells me he probably cheaped out in other places too.

Apparently he did with the hull, using leftover material from NASA that was full of micro cracks.

As far as the controller, military uses Xbox controllers for quite a lot of stuff. I imagine those are hardened enough to not Stick Drift too unlike our shitty civilian ones. In fact just the fact that stick drift is a huge problem across the board with controllers made in the last decade I would definitely reconsider a gamepad solution unless it had some Hall Effect sticks at minimum. But I know this cuz I'm a gamer whereas to Mr. Billionaire, any controller is good just get the damn Great Value one off the shelf.

Also he used it wirelessly. Come on. I don't wanna trust Bluetooth underwater.

Too many rookie mistakes just with the gamepad. When I saw that photo of him with it the day they went missing I knew they were dead as fuck.

[–] billy_bollocks@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And the folks in the USA trying to make the rich richer have also hung their hat on arming the country. Interesting logic

[–] llama@midwest.social 7 points 1 year ago

I mean that IS the point of don't tread on me.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

I don't think they talk to average humans much so they don't have much idea.

[–] BigNote@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

I've worked for a lot of super rich people over the years in high-end construction. Most (not all) of them are deeply un-self-aware and have no idea how they are seen by regular people because it would never occur to them to ever think about it. The lives of most people are like some strange and exotic foreign country that they're vaguely aware of but that they have no real interest in. They're aware of poverty as a concept, but that's as far as it goes; it's not something they actually understand or have any desire to understand or even think about.

A lot of this, I think, is somewhat deliberate in that it allows them to ignore how unjust their hoarding of wealth and resources is.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 65 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

"Nobody wants to slap pond water anymore!"

[–] XEAL@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Time to slap the rich instead

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] MartinXYZ@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

That's the good part about eating the rich. Many of them get massages regularly, so they should be good and tender.

[–] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Anyone knows which book they're referring to? It sounds a bit like Chekhov.

[–] rmuk@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago

"Bro, bro, remember that gun I mentioned earlier, bro?"

– Checkov, probably

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Dunno about Russian book but the same story is in Tale of Two Cities

‘You know, Doctor, that it is among the Rights of these Nobles to harness us common dogs to carts, and drive us. They so harnessed him and drove him. You know that it is among their Rights to keep us in their grounds all night, quieting the frogs, in order that their noble sleep may not be disturbed. They kept him out in the unwholesome mists at night, and ordered him back into his harness in the day.

Good book would recommend.

[–] Barley_Man@sopuli.xyz 31 points 1 year ago

Russia has been a horrible place to be a peasant for a long time. In most of Europe peasents gained a lot of freedoms after the black death. But in Russia peasents, or serfs as they were called, only suffered worse. The serfs in Russia couldn't even marry or move without the permission of their lord. The lord, or boyar as it was called locally, had pretty much full ownership over you. Russia pretty much enslaved their whole population until the mid 1800s. Complete disregard for the life of the commoner has been a constant theme of Russian life for a long time and it arguably continues to this day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serfdom_in_Russia?wprov=sfla1 Some dark but enlightening reading about the historical situation of peasents in Russia. Peasents were de facto enslaved there for far longer than anywhere else in Europe. I can't imagine living through such a time. Dedicating your whole existence and work to serving some fat boyar who cares nothing about you. At any time you could get drafted for a deadly war which you probably are not going to be returning alive from. This arguably still happens there today.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Apparently in the time of King Louis XVI, Marie Antoinette had a play farm where servants would take, clean and replace chicken eggs under the hens so Marie Antoinette could gather them later. Many nobles in France had such play farms. The pond story reminds me of this tidbit.

We know the Qu'ils mangent de la brioche scandal was fabricated (though a lie used to turn opinions against the royal family). In truth it was the failure pf Church and King in the Estates-General to read the room and then the King's failed effort to escape France that sealed the Queen's fate in the Place de la Révolution.

Queen Marie Antoinette was by far not the worst of spoiled nobles, just in way over her head.

[–] Pofski@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They also used to have professional hermits that had to stay in the woods so that they could show them to guests.

[–] Zahille7@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If I got paid to live in a cabin and act like a bigfoot that would be a dream.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You actually are allowed to do this, nobody will stop you.

[–] toynbee@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

While that's true, unfortunately I think the "getting paid" part might be the difficult part.

[–] dingleberry@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago

I only got to know about the "let them eat cake" bs from Contra.

[–] negativeyoda@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I'd think the sounds of random pond slapping would be more annoying than frogs, but I guess I'm not rich enough to have the correct opinion on this

[–] Napain@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago

tbf those frogs sound annoying af