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[–] just_change_it@lemmy.world 155 points 1 year ago (13 children)

She got a job working in a corporate office for a big company. This is pretty typical of not-retail-worker-salary beating out public sector nine times out of ten.

Why would someone ever be a teacher for <50k? Anybody with an education background can move to Seattle, Washington (or other state close to big city pay) and be a corporate trainer and move up to a director level role and get paid many times what they would ever be paid as a teacher...

...except so many want to stay near family, not be near a big city, can't move because of xyz, want a couple months off each year.. etc etc etc.

To quote somebody: Schools should be palaces. The competition for the best teachers should be fierce. They should be making six-figure salaries. Schools should be incredibly expensive for government and absolutely free of charge to its citizens, just like national defense.

Just isn't that way today and there is a big political and economic mess in the way of getting there.

[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com 42 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Educated young people overthrow governments. You do the math.

[–] HerbalGamer@lemm.ee 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would but there's no teachers so I don't know math

[–] nehal3m@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago

Mission accomplished

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[–] snooggums@kbin.social 22 points 1 year ago

They also want children to learn, which is the biggest thing that draws them to the job and gets them to accept shitty pay.

Teachers should get paid way more than they do.

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The mess is allowing decades of union-busting to be effective. Teachers in my state of Victoria (Australia) are heavily unionised, so US$50k is the starting salary. You would absolutely be making what she is now, $64k, if you’d worked for 8yrs like she had.

Edit: And that’s just for public teaching jobs. Australia has way more private schools than the US and those pay even more. With 8yrs of experience it would be easy to get one of those positions and be making $70k.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Those salaries still sound far too low for a teacher, especially since, as I understand it, your dollar doesn't buy you guys as much as our (US) dollar, or is that just in electronics and video games?

Either way, the vice principal in The Breakfast Club cites that he's making $35,000 a year in 1985. I'll assume that's the higher end of the scale since he's admin, and has been teaching for years at that point. The thing is that adjusted for inflation that $35,000 is closer to $87,000 today. It's not just teachers either. No essential worker has had a raise since the early 1970s, in fact we've had pay cuts when you look at inflation, and expected productivity.

Edit: just noticed you specified US dollars, sorry.

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[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Teaching needs to be a cushy, highly competitive job with entry pay starting at 100k a year. It needs to attract the very best and brightest.

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[–] elephantium@lemmy.world 105 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

The headline is really misleading. She now works for Costco corporate doing marketing training. The typical store employee is still around $18/hour.

This just in: Corporate jobs pay more than public school teaching jobs. Film at eleven!

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 73 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (15 children)

The headline is really misleading. She now works for Costco corporate doing marketing training. The typical store employee is still around $18/hour.

Downvoting you, because you are mischaracterizing the article content.

The first half of it describes how she started there and the regular positions she had, before she moved up and into the teaching position she has at corporate office, which is similar to the teaching position she had before; both are of a teaching.

From the article...

At first, I made $18.50 an hour — a little less than what I earned as a teacher. I put in 40-hour workweeks, five days a week, and got a $1-per-hour raise when I hit 1,000 hours.

[–] elephantium@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

How TF am I mischaracterizing it? The teacher in this story got a pay bump by taking a marketing job with Costco corporate, not by working in the warehouse. The headline implies that she got a raise by working for her local Costco. That's misleading.

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[–] Bonehead@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago

The important thing to remember is that she's still a teacher. She's just not teaching children anymore, since it doesn't pay enough. This should be a wake up call to most people...

[–] BrainisfineIthink@lemmy.one 7 points 1 year ago

You are why downvotes should be more common on Lemmy. You're grossly misrepresenting the article and story.

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[–] zell565@lemmy.world 66 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"Education is the silver bullet. Education is everything. We don’t need little changes, we need gigantic, monumental changes. Schools should be palaces. Competition for the best teachers should be fierce; they should be making six figure salaries. Schools should be incredibly expensive for government and absolutely free of charge to it citizens, just like national defense."

I hate how a 23 year old quote from the West Wing is still so relevant...

[–] tea@lemmy.today 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Next line that you left off speaks to that...still.

"That's my position. We just haven't figured out how to do it yet."

That hits hard. Will we ever figure out how to do it here?

This might be the most memorable quote from the entire run of the West Wing for me. Our teachers are doing their job out of good will and our society is taking advantage of them because their value far outstrips what they are paid.

[–] tym@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

We're several generations deep into a manufactured apathy meant to fragment and dilute any workers rights reforms

We stumbled into work from home due to the pandemic, but that genie will be put back in the bottle within 2 generations.

Robber barons never left, they just got smarter.

[–] Acters@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

All of this is true,
instead of happening in schools for the advancement of knowledge,
it is happening in corporations for profits and egotistical power trips.

[–] LegionEris@feddit.nl 60 points 1 year ago

When I got sick Costco graciously moved me to a food prep and service position!

<_< That's so great.....

[–] TheRealJefe@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago (5 children)

This is becoming more and more common overall.

An acquaintance of mine I met while working a help desk job: He was in process of getting his degrees to become a teacher, did so and taught high school math for 5 years. As much as he loved, and took pride in, the work he did with teens and making a difference, the continued stress of a bullshit administration (at 2 different schools and districts) took its toll. He left, becoming a corporate training (see, still teaching) and I've seen a marked difference in his attitude and life. He has less stress and a fatter paycheck.

Teachers shouldn't be put though the wringer and not be expected to react. "There's no workers shortage, just a shortage of slave labor" is more evident in their profession than any other (outside possibly food service).

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[–] Yerbouti@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Far-right media and muslim extremist are going hand in hand, blaming school of turning kids transgender. I cant believe I just wrote that sentence. Here in Canada and Québec, no one wants to work in school anymore because of those brainwashed idiots, and I dont blame them. You think school teachers have a agenda because they try to teach kids about having basic human decency? Then fucking school your kids at home and let's see how that goes. I am fed up will all those idiots who chose to boycott their brain.

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

"Then fucking school your kids at home and let's see how that goes."

They are, and not well.

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[–] Vaggumon@lemm.ee 27 points 1 year ago

This reads like a bad ad.

[–] uis@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Teacher in school makes half of what teacher in Costco makes sounds like endgame for scociety.

[–] HessiaNerd@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

If anyone here lives in California, please express your support for AB-938. It increases teacher pay and attempts to maintain it at an inflation adjusted level.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202320240AB938

Let you assembly person know we need this now.

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[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is less of a news report and more of an ad for Costco.

[–] zbyte64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 year ago

Bullshit jobs are paying better than shit jobs. Might be a sign corporations are sitting on most of the money.

[–] woodenskewer@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

welcome to costco, i love you

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (9 children)

A Costco recruiter wrote this article (and probably made this post)

[–] Kalkaline@leminal.space 17 points 1 year ago

Clearly there would be a bias there, but are they wrong?

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[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not only that, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's more job satisfaction in retail than teaching. Teaching in the US is a dog, and I'm frankly amazed they haven't already run out of teachers.

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[–] MrBusinessMan@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

An inspiration, all teachers should do this!

[–] Ryan213@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Good thing us Lemmings read more than just the headline, right? Right??

[–] BrainisfineIthink@lemmy.one 6 points 1 year ago

Top comment says NOOOOOOO

[–] realcaseyrollins@narwhal.city 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

If enough teacher leave, maybe we'll start to pay them more

[–] iltoroargento@lemmy.sdf.org 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Some states? Maybe. Georgia (as mentioned in the article), likely not. There has been a continual war on education in the US and we see it on display every election cycle.

Despite their best efforts (including paying teachers in red states poverty wages), those who would keep us dumb and scared are frustrated to find a new generation that doesn't give a fuck about division along arbitrary demographic lines and is increasingly aware of class warfare.

This drives further education cuts and cries from extremist/hate motivated groups to further crack down on our schools because these parents are so weak willed as to be offended by diversity and critical thinking.

I hope these are the last dying wails of this kind of hatred and ignorance, but I'm not taking that for granted. Vote, educate, and promote solidarity and unity at every opportunity because the shitheels who are on the other side will fight tooth and nail to destroy education funding and cut down our teaching corps.

Edit: How a teacher of eight years experience is making $47k a year is a travesty.

[–] Murais@lemmy.one 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Florida's approach was just to give anyone with a police or military background a teaching license.

They won't up teacher pay. They'll just hire shittier teachers because the primary highlight of public education is that it is free daycare for their exhausted, working parents.

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[–] BiNonBi@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Well thats depressing

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