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[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Israel's escalation and invasion of Lebanon is most likely to make the Democrats more unpopular. It's not a coincidence that these escalations happened so close to the election. Israel has been wanting to attack Lebanon since at least the spring, and the US had to talk them down. These events just make the Democrats more unpopular and make a Trump presidency more likely. Which would be Israel's wet dream given how pro-zionist he is.

[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

He's not pro-zionist, lol.

He's pro Trump and staying out of jail.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Zionists and AIPAC have enough money to make sure Trump is the most pro-zionist president ever.

I'm sure he isn't pro-zionist

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Bernie Sanders forcing through this funding bill might end up single handedly saving this election... but it would have been so fucking easy for Harris to tell AIPAC to fuck off.

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

but it would have been so fucking easy for Harris to tell AIPAC to fuck off.

And lose millions of votes, ultimately handing the presidency to Trump? Smart move.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Isreali Americans aren't a fully democratic voting block and the attrition would likely be pretty low - by contrast youth turnout is what Democrats really need to drive to secure their victory.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not all Israelis are zionists. Not all zionists are israelis. You are still refusing to understand the full scope of things.

When Reagan broke the unions, single-handedly neutering the largest base of support for Democrats at the time. Groups like The aipac moved into fill that void. If Democrats could easily abandon aipac money by now they would have. As much as it would be morally correct to do it. It would be a bit of a political death sentence as long as money is considered speech.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works -4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm well aware that not all Isrealis are zionists - in fact, based on my very biased and empirical sample, the majority of American Jews aren't zionists and support a two state or one state secular solution. I've met one due who is legitimately "get them off our land and let us create an exclusively Jewish state"... You're vastly overestimating how much money AIPAC brings to the table, there are much more significant donors out there.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Please elaborate. How much is AIPAC giving in total. Who are the groups who could give more, but aren't. And why aren't they.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's some extreme sealioning there - you stated the majority of money was coming from AIPAC and offered no clarification... for my reps we've got: House Rep - zero from AIPAC, Senator #1 - zero from AIPAC, Senator #2 - zero from AIPAC.

https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/members-list?cong_no=118&cycle=2024

Why don't you answer those questions for yourself and actually study the facts before making baseless claims. Don't spread bullshit misinformation about a topic you know nothing about.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Your realistic choices are Harris or Trump.

I'm pretty sure that you're not going to be happier with Trump in office if your objection is US support for Israel, and especially US-Iran conflict, seeing both past policy and that Iran got caught in the act of trying to off Trump several months back.

But, your vote.

only one party wants to deport all immigrants. but yeah, vote foreign policy while they work to evict you

[–] slacktoid@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 month ago

USA foreign policy has always been fuck you

[–] echo@lemmings.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh fuck off with this propaganda. This treats all Muslims as if they are fucking idiots who have no idea what is going on.

[–] zigmus64@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I’m not sure if “middleeasteye.net” is a reliable source…

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It is actually a very reliable source, with a focus on the Middle East.

It’s a UK paper, founded by David Hearst (former Guardian writer and correspondent).

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't know that a reporter in Ontario is the best person to write about this and I find it hard to believe that this outlet couldn't find a single Arab-American writer to cover this.

Which sure makes this article suspicious.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The headline alone is complete trash. This election is not about arab-americans losing "enthusiasm". It's about both candidates supporting genocide.