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Israeli officials said Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar was killed by Israel Defense Forces in the southern Gaza Strip on Wednesday. Hamas has not commented publicly on the reports.

Sinwar was the mastermind of the Oct. 7 terror attacks, which killed 1,200 people and set off Israel's year-long war against Hamas in Gaza. Israel has made killing him a key objective, and may now be more willing to scale back its military operations in Gaza.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 36 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I just don't see this changing anything.

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

He was particularly hostile to peace with Israel (and Israel was particularly hostile to peace with him). Furthermore (according to my understanding) Hamas doesn't have much formal structure; it isn't like the USA where the government is ready to accept the vice president as the leader if the president dies. I assume that Sinwar prepared a successor, but there's still probably no one who knows all the same things and has the loyalty of all the same people.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Israel has already moved on to Lebanon. This is a forever war. That's what Netanyahu wants. His best friend has been trying to tell the world about it.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-798324

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

He also wrote that Netanyahu will pay any price at the expense of the public in Israel, provided that his rule does not fall "and therefore, to the horror of it, there is no chance that the war will end in the foreseeable future. Neither voluntarily nor according to logic. Its continuation forever is the only barrier that will prevent his personal catastrophe.

Yep, the ongoing war is delaying a corruption trial against Bibi where I think he could be sentenced to up to 30 years in prison, so he's going to keep this war going forever if he can

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Israel is not the USA. It doesn't have the economy to support a forever war, even with US help. Most of its soldiers are reservists who need to go back to their jobs sooner rather than later.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Please read the article I pasted the link to.

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm not a fan of Netanyahu but that article isn't a hard-headed political analysis. Even Netanyahu is constrained by physical reality; he might not have a realistic plan for peace, but that doesn't mean he can continue war indefinitely.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

He will try. That's the point.

I doubt any war could literally never end.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You don't think that whoever survives the horror they just have been through on Gaza will eventually replace them?

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

No, I don't think the popular theory that organizations like Hamas exist because people want revenge is correct. The critical component seems to be a power vacuum; in its absence humans will tolerate anything. If Israel establishes order in Gaza by some means (and by that I don't just mean armed patrols through hostile territory) then there can be occasional terrorist attacks but no organized resistance.

The problem that I see is actually that there's little precedent for establishing order in circumstances like this while acting with the humanitarian constraints that Israel does have. The USA failed in Afghanistan and Iraq. Russia succeeded in Chechnya but Israel cannot (and should not) even come close to the level of brutality Russia employed.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago

Yeah if Israel extends it's apartheid into Gaza, that'll bring peace in the region for sure.

/S

[–] n3m37h@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They need to take out the real terrorist, Bibi

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Things are going to have to get a lot worse for the IDF before they would take out their own leader.

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[–] hmonkey@lemy.lol 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Yeah but they were created because Israel sucked in the first place.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago

Many thing suck, same time.

[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Terrorist groups are more likely to form in bad social, political, and economic circumstances. Astute observation.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And Israel was created because the Jews got fucking slaughtered and driven from their homes in the world wars and didn't have anywhere safe that anyone wanted them.

And the US exists because the Europeans slaughtered the native Americans.

And England exists because they slaughtered the locals that were there before.

And modern China exists because they slaughtered the group before them.

Its almost like this is exactly how it's always worked.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Weird way to excuse a genocide but ok.

Edit: the fact that Jewish people went through a Holocaust, doesn't excuse them from creating another one.

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[–] IAmNotACat@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not many people could get a bullseye with 40,000 darts and a year to use them. Fairplay to Israel for their precision on this one.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

During a routine patrol by the IDF, the soldiers encountered three armed men. They exchanged fire and killed them. Israeli officials said the incident was coincidental and not based on intelligence.

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[–] sarcasticsunrise@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Great, now how many innocent civilians were part of the collateral damage?

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

In this particular engagement, zero. Did you think you had something there?

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Good news is rare. I hope this was the result of better intelligence on the whereabouts of the Hamas leadership rather than luck.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I pasted this in response to the wrong comment, so here it is again for you:

During a routine patrol by the IDF, the soldiers encountered three armed men. They exchanged fire and killed them. Israeli officials said the incident was coincidental and not based on intelligence.

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They wouldn't exactly admit a source and compromise further operations. They probably had at least an idea of where he might be.

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

OBL hid in a personal mansion for 10 years only 100 miles away from Pakistan Military Academy

Mullah Omar hid in a tunnel only 3 miles away from Base Wolverine lol.

I think it was probably a bit of both. They knew he was in the north, but not much more. I presume their intel gathering fell apart after the infrastructure collapsed.

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

He was just walking around on the surface? Why?

Edit: Kyrgizion makes a good point.

They wouldn’t exactly admit a source and compromise further operations. They probably had at least an idea of where he might be.

[–] superkret@feddit.org 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If you kill everyone in Gaza, you'll eventually kill the right person.

[–] hmonkey@lemy.lol 4 points 2 years ago

Human shields can only get you so far

[–] xlash123@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago
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