this post was submitted on 29 Oct 2024
360 points (97.1% liked)

politics

19133 readers
5422 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 152 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Because the conditions required for fascism to take root have been incubating for decades.

Massive wealth inequality, insecure employment, non-existent labor laws and worker's rights, hollowed-out education, healthcare and social services, large corporations getting to write their own laws verbatim, political parties sucking dick for their donors, endless war ensuring unlimited money for the military-industrial complex, demonization of brown-people-of-the-week, fetishization of 'the troops' and ongoing acceptance of brutality.

People are poor, desperate, ignorant, exploited and forgotten, they're shown every day that killing the shit out of outsiders is the solution to all the country's problems, anyone pushing actual progressive ideals is shut down and demonized as a threat to the profits of the 0.1%, giving people a choice between rightwing bastardry and neoliberal bastardry as their only lens through which to see the world.

Give that the opportunity to flare up and of course it's fucking going to. The republicans want it, the dems do nothing to prevent it.

It's like watching a party get the wrong kind of rowdy all night, you keep supplying drinks regardless, then you wonder why it turns into a fight, oh no how could this ever happen?

[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

This is the correct answer.

load more comments (6 replies)
[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 74 points 1 week ago (3 children)
[–] ArtieShaw@fedia.io 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Roy is great. He's no Moss, but he's great.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Aren't all his noises kind of sad?

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Roy and Moss together are far greater than Roy and Moss separately. I would watch another 50 seasons of that show even with the audience background laughter.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've always said one of my strangest personalities "quirks" is that I'm a misanthrope that loves to help and to make people laugh.

...I still hate people though. Sooooooooo many people seriously fucking suck..

Not you folks of course, you're cool :P

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 67 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is a health check and America is very sick.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Looks over at America who's been covering themselves with their own feces for the past decade.

[–] alquicksilver@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What's terrible is that it's the right hand that keeps covering us with shit while those of us on the left hand try desperately to get the soap. Not enough soap for all the shit. :(

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] would_be_appreciated@lemmy.ml 54 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Same answer it's been for my whole lifetime: a small number of extremely wealthy individuals pumping a constant stream of money into conservative media with the express purpose of changing public opinion.

People who've been listening to this stuff their entire lives don't live in the real world. They legitimately don't believe in reality, and after a certain point I'm not sure it's possible to bring them back. Much like climate change, this kind of thing should've been stopped at the source decades ago, and it might just be too late now.

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

Almost like conservatism is the problem

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 49 points 1 week ago (1 children)

lies, hatred, and illegal behavior have resulted in zero consequence because people are afraid of hurting GOP's sensitive fee fees, so now a rapist convicted felon con man might be dictator next week

where are all the "we need to respect their viewpoint!!" people now?

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 41 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Some of it is people who read none of the stuff we are. They are heads down, working, etc, just glancing at headlines.

They know one thing: prices were better under trump.

They don’t know one thing: what inflation is. They think if inflation goes down then prices go down.

In short: they think if they vote for trump, prices will go back to 2016-2020.

That’s it. That is why. Prices never go back, and trumps plans for working class will make life even worse, but they still think he’ll bring 2016-2020 prices back with him.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

I agree. How anyone thinks that would be a simple policy decision is weird though.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 34 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Because people are dumb. And I don't mean that in some flippant, off-hand, snarky way. I mean that in all dead seriousness. People are dumb.

The truest line ever written was from Tommy Lee Jones in Men in Black.

"A person is smart. But people are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it." The novelization of the film actually takes it a bit further and adds "A mob is only as smart as it's dumbest member."

Long story short, group-think skews towards the simplistic and instinctual. This election is close for the same reason that one scared cow will turn into a stampede even though the rest of them have no idea what they're running from...because we're wired to see that if other people are running, maybe we should be too...it's a matter of survival.

A smart person can see past that and resist when they're alone. But get them into a crowd of like minded individuals and we aren't smart anymore. And people like Trump take advantage of that.

load more comments (5 replies)
[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Because there are far more idiot bigots in this country than anyone wanted to admit.

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

Fox News primarily.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Conservatism is fascism. When someone is only mildly conservative, the fascism is not apparent. The more conservative someone is, the more apparent the fascism becomes.

This can be seen in Italy, Germany, Russia and anywhere else a fascist government has come to power through the support of a conservative population.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

reminds me of a time years ago that I got downvoted to oblivion on reddit for saying we have to stop acting like conservatism is an acceptable political stance worthy of any respect. it's not ok to be conservative.

load more comments (5 replies)
[–] Xanis@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What really gets me is I've had people on the Right tell me about the illegal immigrant problem and about how they do all these crimes. Then when I trap them with the obvious, "Trump is felon though" argument I always get, "Oh he's different." alongside the usual conspiracy theories. These are just the bad actors.

So thinking about it, what's even worse are the people who are supporting Trump as reactionary supporters. All they know is they're angry and the Democrats are the ones who always talk about change. So time to vote for not them for reasons they can never explain.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] EmilyIsTrans@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 1 week ago

Trump supporters live in a different reality. Because they're in a fascist cult.

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Maybe the fact that every time Kamala says she wants to appoint Republicans to her cabinet and sign Republican immigration policies into law she slides in the polls a bit should tell us something

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Biden tried the working with Republican thing. They hated him and demonised him.

Why even try?

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (15 children)

Why try to negotiate with a party who base their entire personalities on obstruction and destroying the government?

Because Dems can't accept that Republicans are a lost cause and they just need to motivate their base instead of trying to appeal to the worst half of the voting populace.

load more comments (15 replies)
[–] drdiddlybadger@pawb.social 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Either the election isn't close at all which would make sense with how desperate and frankly weird Republican party antics have been lately. They're nothing but off putting and seem to focus on efforts that are most likely to make them look like overly online idiots. Or the polling is accurate and people are just the dumbest they have ever been and thus democracy is a failure in the modern era. Which means the first party to take over and nullify an election will likely hold power for quite some time. Rather distressing. I am hopeful that the polling is just wrong in this case.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Or the polling is accurate and people are just the dumbest they have ever been and thus democracy is a failure in the modern era.

It's this one. The voter suppression and disinformation is what keeps it closer to 50/50, but without those it would still be like 55/45.

[–] lorty@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Because the democrats and their supporters refuse to face the reality that the last four years didn't bring much of any material improvements for the vast majority of people. Everything costs more and no one is making anywhere near close to what they need to keep up, let alone thrive.

[–] Tinks@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You know, I'm extremely tired of hearing people piss and moan about the Democrats not accomplishing legislative miracles with the barest of majorities. The GOP is almost gleeful in being a bulwark against anything and everything that might possibly be seen as a Democratic win. We can't have nice things because 49% of Congress just wants to watch the other party suffer and cling to power by calling them ineffective.

What the fuck have the Republicans done that have helped the average working class American in the last twenty goddamn years?

They're nothing but rhetoric and religious fundamentalism. They had full control of both houses and the presidency and assured us we would have some great replacement to the ACA and literally nothing ever came of that. The Republicans don't want to help Americans, they just want to be in power. Why isn't that relevant? The Democrats can't pass sweeping legislation because of obstruction and that's the end of the world, but the Republicans have literally no ideas beyond removing rights from whatever flavor of "other" they're targeting this season and they get a pass.

Our country is fundamentally broken. One party's politicians say they want to represent all Americans and the other wants to use the military against their political rivals. And somehow the election is still close? Yeah. This whole country is fucked.

BUT, BUT, BUT, WHAT ABOUT THE STOCK MARKET!?!?!?! 🙄🙄🙄

I'm fucking ashamed to be a veteran of this shithole of a country.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

because fascism already has a tight grip, regardless of election outcomes

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 7 points 1 week ago

Because the two candidtaes are competing for shittiest candidate (to their constituency, not in absolute terms) and canceling each other's shittiness.

[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Does anyone know if "already voted" people are included in prospective voter polls? If they are excluded, we might be seeing a shift in polling towards Trump because his supporters vote day-of more than Harris voters.

[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 7 points 1 week ago

Now you are trying to make people cry.

[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 6 points 1 week ago

It may not be. Polling has been off lately, especially "polling without a specific name attached".

OTOH, lots of people vote for party not the person.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Well it's like a friend once said to me when I was about six. If assholes could fly this place would be an airport.

load more comments
view more: next ›