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Here's a copy and paste from the 1933 article:

Rise in Stocks Reflects Confidence He Will Not Disrupt Nation's Affairs

Berlin is settling down to pass judgment on political developments. Politicians, economists and bankers declare there is usually wide discrepancy between the speeches of opposition politicians and the actions of the group when it gains power.

Consequently, it is not believed that Hitler will accomplish a change in the constitution or that [Reich Minister of Economics Alfred] Hugenberg will bring about a general reduction of interest rates. The government wants to obtain an adjournment of the Reichstag for several months, but it is questionable whether the Centre [Party] will approve of such action.

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[–] enbyecho@lemmy.world 38 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

No no no this time is different.

/s

[–] SPRUNT@lemmy.world 6 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, this time English is their native language.

[–] enbyecho@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

Are you sure? It's not always clear.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 103 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (24 children)

If anyone asks how the Germans could elect a wannabe autocrat populist and how many people could ignore clear signs of genocide going on.

Now you know.

Edit

A lot of people commenting about either my observation not being astute enough, or misinterpreting history in one way or another.

My observation is solely about and how these things happen it's not very conspirational nor institutional, just weaponized anxiety, populism, polarity and apathy.

The particular brand of ideology, or the identity of the perpetrator does very little for the equation. People being selfish and wilfully ignorant as long as they are pandered to.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 31 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

We've been watching fascists pile into legislatures from Russia to the UK for decades. It's cute to make everything about Hitler, but this isn't an event unique to '33.

  • Fearmomgering over migrants
  • Secular violence encouraged by colonial powers
  • Stagnating global economies and bottlenecks in critical resources
  • Anti-colonialism in the third world
  • Those damned Marxists refusing to sit down, shut up, and back the liberal party

You can find historical parallels in the collapse of Yugoslavia and the Irish Troubles, Modi's rise in India and the Nixon/Reagan reaction to the US civil rights movement, the military coups in Guatemala and El Salvador, the dictatorships of South Korea and South Vietnam...

There's deeper historical roots to Trumpism than just "America made another oopsie cause we're dumb-dumbs"

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 18 points 5 hours ago (6 children)

Sure yeah.

The point here is that Hitler is cleraly the most famous crazy dictator. And now, almost 100 years later, it's looking like this Trump fellow is going to be remember quite a lot as well. I don't know about you, but I'm generally slightly afraid, and I'm not even American.

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[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

You can get away with anything when 99% of the voters don't actually care about the quality of the people we elect, and that's the US.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 30 points 7 hours ago

And my Jewish mother still thinks we're making a mistake by fleeing.

And this being despite her knowing that my father's mother had to get her mother-in-law out of Nazi Germany by sheer force of will and determination in the 1930s, but not without sewing the few valuables she had remaining that the Nazis hadn't seized into her coat.

If my dad was alive, he'd be helping us pack.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 20 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Julius Caesar elected Praetor. Trade up in the imperial forums. Gauls are poisoning the blood of Rome.

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 hours ago

History doesn't repeat but it sure as shit rhymes!

[–] elbucho@lemmy.world 27 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

Man. The writers for this timeline really are lazy pieces of shit. How can they just reuse the same stale plot line and continue to collect paychecks? This show has really gone downhill.

[–] P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br 9 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

6/10 simulation some events repeat and there's people with too many gems while there's players who are stuck at the "job" minigame

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[–] nimble@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

They also did an editorial piece on each US nominee and in trumps they said they don't think he will actually be the end of democracy. Let's see how that ages

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[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 16 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Well, he didn't disrupt the nations's "affairs." The allies started doing that in 1942.

[–] kokesh@lemmy.world 71 points 11 hours ago

It's not the same! Hitler tried to overthrow the government with Beerhall Coup before! Wait....

[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world 122 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (2 children)
[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 10 points 6 hours ago

NYT are notorious genocide deniers and otherwise apologists though... always have been since at least 1930s.

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[–] RonnyZittledong@lemmy.world 90 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Ignore the curbing of your own freedoms! We are stomping on the necks of the people you irrationally fear and that is all that matters! History does not repeat but boy does it rhyme.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 5 points 7 hours ago

9/11 2.0 is about due to shake these plebs into Patriot act 2.0

[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 141 points 14 hours ago (1 children)
[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 13 points 4 hours ago

...the worst impulses of Hitler and the Nazis could be "controlled" or "tamed" once they bore responsibility for leading the national government (rather than criticizing others' administration of it).

I'm sure it'll be different this time around /s

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 69 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Hear that guys? Everything is going ho be fiiiiiine! We're safe in Hitlers hands. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm quite rich. I have a ticket aboard an airship. I'm sure you've never heard of a zepplin. It's like an air balloon, but way cooler. It's called the "Hindenburg"!

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 9 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Unfortunately your fictional rich guy probably survives, since the majority of the Hindenburg's passengers survived.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 13 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Well.....silver lining. It was the late 1930s. I doubt he's still alive NOW!!!

Bad news is, nqzis for some reason seem to have made a comeback.

I've been downvoted in the past for saying this, but I truely believe we need to legalize murder. HEAR ME OUT.....

If you're a nazi, and I mean a legit nazi, have swastica tattoos, participate in rallys, ect, I think murder should be 100% legal.

You show up, you have a swastica, BANG! One less nazi.

"Oh, did you hear? Lost_My_Mind is a murderer!"

"What??? That's CRAZY??? What happened???"

"Well, we were at a Wendys, he ordered the chicken nuggets, then he was complaining to himself at how small the nuggets were, and how shrinkflation is real......and then a dude with swastikas on his jacket showed up. Lost_My_Mind grabbed a knife and stabbed him hundreds of times."

"Oh.....well what else was supposed to happen? He did the right thing. Well, except for ordering the nuggets. That's just encouraging companies to KEEP shrinking their products....but the murder is fine. Could have used the blood as a dipping sauce!"

"Ew, no!"

"You're right. That's the line. That went too far. We found the line, and that line is lite canabalism. You can kill nazis, but not eat them."

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 3 points 5 hours ago

As a pacifist (at least in the technical sense) I'm bound to disagree with you on that, but I also think the ones that are stupid enough to have swastika tattoos or even just publicly call themselves nazis aren't really the ones that we should be worried about. The ones that are really dangerous wear a suit and tie.

[–] bungalowtill@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, no. I don’t want to get my hands dirty

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

I mean......you can use a gun. From a distance. And I'm sure a sink wouldn't be far away anyways, if you need to wash them.

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[–] vga@sopuli.xyz -1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

I have some american stocks and funds and have seen a pretty weird increases in them. Wondering whether selling all of them would be a good idea right now...

... but then again the rise kept going the last time Trump was president so I dunno.

Also: Trump is not Hitler. Republicans are not the nazi party. I hope this comment doesn't age like milk.

[–] Maiznieks@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Maybe it's not about US for once, but rather the putler?

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