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[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 3 points 49 minutes ago

Yeah, it never occurred to anyone ever to stick their tongues in each others mouths until it was documented in ancient India.

[–] cmder@lemmy.world 14 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

So yeah why does the american/english don't do more research about origins and call everything french ?

[–] IndiBrony@lemmy.world 7 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

> Britain was founded by the French

[–] Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 hour ago

Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon? The son of an Irish immigrant? He’s not the kind of guy who’d let facts get in the way of an opinion so we’re probably pretty solid saying that in front of him. If he did run his mouth, then I got your back, blud.

[–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 14 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Britain is the land mass that includes England, Wales, and Scotland.

William the Conquerer was the first Norman king of England and never had power over Wales and he was mostly successful in gaining homage from King Malcolm III, but never king over the lands.

Edward I about two hundred years later almost pulls it off, but doesn't quite get a firm grip on Scotland. James I in the early 17th century holds the crown for each of the lands. In 1707 they formalize the relationship with a treaty.

So... No the French did not found Britain.

[–] Im_old@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago

Also Normans were descendants of viking settlers. So French didn't technically fund England either (yes, I'm being pedantic for the sake of the joke).

[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

You could, however, accurately say that a French family founded the modern British monarchy. That much is still true. The UK royal family can still trace its lineage directly to William the Conqueror.

[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 7 points 2 hours ago

It's not just the royal family, other descendants of the french conquerors are also on average wealthier than the descendants of those that had been conquered.

One pretty striking statistic: "Furthermore, Norman descendants also enjoy other privileges, including attendance at the best universities. In a recent study that examined the enrollment at Cambridge and Oxford over the last thousand years, it was revealed that at certain times, Norman names were 800% more common at Oxford than in the general population, and more recently, were at least twice as likely to found in that institution’s enrollment."

https://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/10/last-1000-years-families-owned-england/

[–] Phoenix3875@lemmy.world 12 points 3 hours ago (2 children)
[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

A full revolution takes you back to where you started.

Also, cinema was invented by the French. Kind of cool IMO.

[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

French catheter

[–] minibyte@sh.itjust.works 67 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (5 children)

The French deserve some respect. If you want to know what a true strike or protest looks like, look to the French.

[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world 2 points 35 minutes ago

Even today, they just don't give a fuck about rules.

In Southern France there are speed cameras being set up everywhere, and they'll catch you for being even a few km's over. The locals (mostly rural) have responded by either torching them, encasing them in hay bales, painting over them, or chopping them down. The police keep putting them up, alongside cameras to watch the cameras, and the locals keep destroying them overnight.

[–] Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 hour ago

Did you see the yellow jackets marching with their rolling barbecue fitted on the city’s tram line? Magnificent bastards.

[–] CTDummy@aussie.zone 42 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

More and more these days French disrespect feels like boomer shit. Look what the French did when the government came for their pensions. The industrial action within the transport sector alone.

I was visiting Paris during some of the aforementioned protest. They’re out and about (in numbers) and will gladly get out to protest when they feel it necessary. Plenty of other western countries could learn, a lot, from the French people.

[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 24 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I keep saying this and people look at me like I'm some kind of extremist

Like no dude I just want universal healthcare

[–] jabathekek@sopuli.xyz 6 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

universal healthcare

*me, looking at you like you're some sort of communist

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 2 points 46 minutes ago

I remember when Obama promised us that. Good times.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 8 points 3 hours ago

The American right would like to categorize it like that but it's not communism at all, it's socialism. I wish they could mischaracterize the correct political philosophy.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 13 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Look what the French did when the government came for their pensions.

For the record we did get it down from 65 to 64, but we still got +2 years.

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[–] oce@jlai.lu 24 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (14 children)

Nobody in France calls French fries or French toast "French". We're definitely happy to attribute the fries to our Belgian friends and nobody thinks something as ubiquitous as toasts could have a single inventor. I think those are Anglo-Saxon cultural elements.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

Also here we call it "cafetière à piston" not french press.

[–] olosta@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

No we are not attributing fries to the Belgian, fries are french. The Belgian improved on our invention and make the best fries, but Frenchs invented it.

Content warning, a lot of french: https://www.musee-gourmandise.be/fr/musee-gourmandise/articles-de-fond?view=article&id=132:la-veritable-histoire-de-la-frite&catid=77:articles-fond

[–] thedarkfly@feddit.nl 1 points 1 hour ago

As a Belgian, this is my position as well. Fries is part of the Belgian culinary culture, but it's chauvinism to claim they were invented in Belgium.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Like the espresso, invented by the French (express or exprés? nobody knows which one it was, but making 1 little cup at a time was new and fast), then the Italians improved it, especially with gruppo 61, group head 61. Now they have the best coffee 😔

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 hours ago

FIY: French toast is the english name for pain perdu.

Also probably not "invented" by the French, but no one thinks they invented simple toast.

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

"We invented democracy, existentialism, and the ménage à trois."

"Oh man... Those are three pretty good things."

[–] swordfish@reddthat.com 2 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Democracy? Explain please, i thought the concept was way older than France.

[–] Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago

I think they might’ve been referring to the left-right political spectrum. I believe the terminology comes from the seating layout of their post-revolution government.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 1 points 2 hours ago

I'm just quoting Talladega Nights.

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 32 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Just have to triple check whether French revolution occured in French.

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 14 points 5 hours ago

Which gives rise to the true founding father of Germany. Napoleon.

Without his restructuring of the HRE for management it would be even harder to unify later.

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[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 16 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

To save anyone else the wiki trip

“Some authors consider the recipe for Aliter Dulcia (translated as 'Another sweet dish') included in the Apicius, a 1st-century CE Ancient Roman cuisine cookbook, "not very different" from modern French toast, although it does not involve eggs.[10][11]

In Le Viandier, culinary cookbook written around 1300, the French chef Guillaume Taillevent presented a recipe for tostées dorées[12] involving eggs and sugar.[13]”

[–] superkret@feddit.org 8 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

When a dish with 3 ingredients is missing one ingredient, it's not the same dish.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Is sugar an ingredient though and not a condiment, more like salt & pepper?

[–] superkret@feddit.org 1 points 2 hours ago

That's why it's 3.
Bread, cream and eggs.

[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

This is not the French claiming ownership of stuff, this is shitty naming on the part of Americans who thinks all european food is from France. Or who really wouldn't know the difference between Europe and France to begin with.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

The most elegant and refined food, fries.

[–] modeler@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Well, technically the French did not found Britain - they were Normans.

Who were the Normans? They were Scandinavian vikings who had been raiding France for decades. Eventually the French king decided to offer them lands (now called Normandy) in France if they promised to stop raiding and instead protect the French coast.

[–] Ethalis@jlai.lu 1 points 1 hour ago

Meh, this is largely a debate over semantics since the mere notion of a "French people" wouldn't have made sense at the time. "Frenchness" isn't an ethnicity, it's a mix of many different peoples that mixed and intertwined over the years (celts, romans, germanic tribes, immigrants from all over Europe...) and that eventually were all brought together as subjects of the french kingdom.

Normans weren't "french" in the modern sense of the word, but then again very few people in what would later become modern France would have at that time : they all would have considered themselves "Provençal", or "Breton", or "Lorrain" who just happened to live in a Duchy that swore fealty to the king of France.

All things considered, William the Conqueror was a lord of the french kingdom, swore fealty to the king of France and spoke French, so he was no less (but no more, granted) French than any other of his peers. Whether you want to call him french is up to you but is largely an anachronism

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