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Detroit man steals 800 gallons using Bluetooth to hack gas pumps at station::undefined

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[–] Kalkaline@leminal.space 91 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So, how would this work exactly? For curiosity's sake.

[–] Erasmus@lemmy.world 73 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Not sure about this specific pump but this same thing happened in my town several months back and BT was used then too.

When it happened we found out that the pumps at the station in particular (and probably most) have a BT receiver tied to whatever little processor that runs the pump so either a station manager or someone servicing the pumps can access them with the right equipment, make internal adjustments etc.

In the case that happened locally to us. Someone hacked them the same way, then posted to Facebook and other social media sites to come get some free gas, etc.

[–] abhibeckert@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

All the pumps I've seen have a physical key protecting them too. They're supposed to unlock it in the morning and lock it when staff leave for the night. I'd guess these stations didn't do that?

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 18 points 11 months ago (6 children)

From everything I know about locks in important places, all pumps probably use the same key. You can probably buy that key online. I know this is true for elevators and those boxes for entering buildings, and Crown Vic police cars (and the taxis they've become after being sold), and many other things.

[–] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 11 months ago (7 children)

those boxes for entering buildings

do you mean doors ?

[–] Cantankerousnuts@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago

I wish he meant doors 😂

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[–] DJDarren@thelemmy.club 47 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Was this article written by AI, because it's disjointed as fuck.

[–] Amunium@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I doubt AI would have that poor grammar and spelling.

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[–] Number1SummerJam@lemmy.world 47 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (6 children)

Off topic but the right crowd is here, would anyone be interested in starting a hardware security community? Edit: https://lemmy.world/c/hardwarehacking is live! It's still a work in progress but all are welcome to join.

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[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 34 points 11 months ago

Can't have shit in Detroit... Not even coherent written articles.

[–] Lutra@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago

This exemplifies Fox - they provided a lengthy article, and a 3 person video with interviews, and yet the listener/reader knows no more about what actually happened than before they began. Its well produced hearsay.

[–] Eezyville@sh.itjust.works 29 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Wait so they haven't caught them yet? The article gave no names. And why do these pumps have Bluetooth? You might as well put in a USB service port.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago (4 children)

USB is way safer lol.

Bluetooth is notoriously bad with security. Especially Bluetooth 4 and earlier. I'd put money on a gas station pumps Bluetooth to not be using the most up to date protocol.

[–] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 47 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It's like saying TCP has bad security. That is to say, pointless comparison. Bluetooth is just transport layer and security is done on higher level. This is most likely the classic example of "security through obscurity". Meaning they did nothing special and hoped no one will figure it out, just like recent TETRA vulnerability.

[–] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Come on now! The pumps required you to enter the secret pairing code: “12345”

[–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 17 points 11 months ago

You fool! It was 00000, now you'll never have free gas!

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (10 children)

Transport layer is absolutely a security vulnerability vector.

TCP is absolutely low security if not configured correctly.

I don't know what it is you're trying to say. I agree that this instance was probably security through obscurity failing, but to say that Bluetooth, TCP, and other transport layer protocols are not security considerations is absolutely ridiculous (see for example, heartbleed). It's exactly the reason there are multiple versions of Bluetooth. It's why FTP is (should be) all but deprecated and SFTP and FTPS are standard. It's why Google doesn't index webpages without an SSL certificate.

USB is way safer

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[–] ScreamingFirehawk@feddit.uk 15 points 11 months ago

At least you can lock a usb port behind an access panel

[–] Desistance@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Gas pumps have Bluetooth? That's news to me.

[–] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You would be surprised, and then very worried, to find out what things needlessly have bluetooth

I saw a guy detail how to hack a house through a fridge.

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago (6 children)

I get unreasonably angry at salespeople when they brag about Bluetooth and wifi on appliances.

I know I shouldn't. But wtf do you want your toaster to have internet access?

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[–] WashedOver@lemmy.ca 8 points 11 months ago

I have to wonder if the are confusing NFC with Bluetooth? Many newer pumps have smart chip tap pads now. I suspect they have found an exploit for this now.

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[–] therealrjp@lemm.ee 22 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The grammar in this article is horrendous. It’s almost as if Fox isn’t a reputable source for news!

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[–] mulcahey@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago (6 children)

This article has so few details. How do we think they're pulling this off? Phones? A Flipper maybe? And then what?

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[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Is it really theft? Considering how much of his tax dollars have gone to subsidize the oil and gas industry?

[–] Kentronix@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yes, considering the oil company doesn't own the gas station and still gets paid for the fuel. The person you're stealing from is the owner of the gas station who purchases the fuel and then in many areas sells fuel with very low margin in hopes of you coming into the store for snacks and drinks to make money on higher margin products. So even if they are selling a large amount of fuel, they aren't making a lot of profit to make up for the theft.

[–] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 6 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I mean, that already is used to significantly lower at-the-pump gas prices from what they actually are, and raising gas prices is an easy way to lose an election in America, so that probably won't change. Notice that in many other countries gas prices are way higher than in the US.

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[–] beaubbe@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Some places let you pump THEN pay inside. You could just fill and leave. Is that not basically the same thing? Thay can catch them the same way.

[–] Selmafudd@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is every petrol station in Australia, don't think I've every seen anybody do a runner, not like it's hard to catch up

[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It’s how it used to work in most of the US. Every once in awhile, you’d be in a rough area and have to pay ahead of time but it was rare. When they switched to credit/debit cards, it generally became “Pay inside if you can’t use a card.”

It wasn’t much of a problem even when crime peaked in the U.S. (late 80’s and 90’s) and you could theoretically get away with it. Gas stations have always had security cameras.

[–] abhibeckert@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Australian pumps all have the capability to pay at the pump.

It's almost always restricted to fleet buyers (taxis, delivery vans, etc). If you're a regular consumer they force you walk past a tasty array of chocolates and other addictive high margin products before you're allowed to pay. They even give you a a couple bucks off your gas if you spend ten bucks on chocolate.

[–] swab148@startrek.website 6 points 11 months ago

Sold! Lol, I'm just that into chocolate.

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[–] sndrtj@feddit.nl 9 points 11 months ago

This is very much the default in the Netherlands. Yes theft happens, but your license plate will be clearly visibly on CCTV meaning you will get a visit by police soon after.

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[–] nostradiel@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago (10 children)

4$ per gallon that's approximately 1$ per litre.

I hope it will at least double for you so you know what it's like to pay for petrol in Europe..

[–] Chunk@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago (16 children)

I hope it will at least double to shock the system into prioritizing clean energy.

[–] Stuka@lemmy.ml 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Ah yes, hurt the poor people to make the rich wake up. That'll definitely work!

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[–] 5BC2E7@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

In that case I hope your health care is reformed to imitate what we have here.

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[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

I wouldn't wish that on anybody it sucks to pay a lot of money for gas

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 9 points 11 months ago

Canada just north of the border it's about $1.92/L where I live.

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[–] thetoastmonster@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Why is that even possible?

[–] TK420@lemmy.world 45 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Because people think security and privacy are a joke, and it’s times like this where it shows.

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[–] scytale@lemm.ee 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Hardware security is still overlooked a lot in the tech industry, hence there are a ton of hardware and mechanical stuff out there that are made “smarter” but still barely have any security controls. That’s why there’s the saying “The S in IoT stands for security”. Bluetooth in itself is not secure, and they probably have a very basic control where the pump is unlocked remotely via a bluetooth device.

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

I very distinctly remember early bluetooth amongst other interfaces explicitly discussed in college as an example of "enabling things to understand eachother, including things that shouldn't." It's up to the developer to protect their data.

There is a problem here that isn't just a hardware/software issue, it's a "I'm not gonna worry about it" problem that leads to security issues.

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