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[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 269 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (14 children)

People are in disbelief that they would be making this kid into a hero,” he told Fortune.

Attending a conference for CEOs in New York this week, just blocks away from the site of the shooting, George found that many were shaken and deeply concerned by the reaction to Thompson’s killing. “They’re having plenty of meetings right now to discuss beefing up security,” he said of the business leaders, even as some question how much security coverage is enough. People are asking themselves, “‘What does that say about our society? Where’s our society going?’” George said.

So they've learned absolutely nothing.

Plenty of meetings to beef up security. How about plenty of meetings to understand how your greed has caused this? They sound one logical leap (that they are unwilling to make) away from understanding exactly what the problem is.

They managed to find one and only one CEO quote that reflected anything resembling self-awareness.

“When I was growing up, CEOs didn’t make millions more than everyone else in the company. I think we have to reflect on why there’s so much anger and do something about it.”

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 167 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

All I can think of is a TED talk I saw where the speaker had given some presentation to a bunch of billionaires and had some q&a, and one of them who had built a bunker for themselves asked him how they could prevent their security team from turning on them in the bunker.

The TED talk guy responded "Be kind to them?"

And the Billionaire said "But where does that end?"

I'll try to find it so I can link it.

EDIT: Found it!

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 44 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I’ll try to find it so I can link it.

Oh god please do.

[–] neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 47 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I’m pretty sure it was the same guy who did the “it could happen here podcast.” Then they were like, can we put shock collars on the security guards. Stuff like that.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 38 points 1 week ago

Robert Evans? The man is a national treasure.

If you haven't heard his miniseries "Behind the Police" (ironically a four episode special in a much longer running serial podcast called "Behind the Bastards" which is not only about police) I strongly recommend it.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 53 points 1 week ago (13 children)

Because CEOs are a symptom.

The problem is our investment economy that focuses only on the stock prices continually going up. It's literally an unsustainable system.

If a CEO puts their personal safety over the investors, the company gets a new CEO.

They're not the one really making the worst decisions, they're the ones who agreed to take a shitton of money to be the face of the company and take all the blame.

CEOs don't get paid for the work they do, they get paid to be the fall guy.

Still absolutely shit people who deserve zero sympathy, but they're not the real problem, just a symptom

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 45 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The problem is our investment economy that focuses only on the stock prices continually going up. It's literally an unsustainable system.

Yup, this is the problem right here. Investments are supposed to generate returns, that's the whole point. But Milton Friedman and Jack Welch decided that the sole mission of any company was to increase shareholder value, and the rest of the world rolled with that. So whenever these CEOs point to their Mission and Vision statements, unless they say "Our only priority is delivering returns to our Shareholders", they are lying.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shareholder_value

Economist Milton Friedman introduced the Friedman doctrine in a 1970 essay for The New York Times, entitled "A Friedman Doctrine: The Social Responsibility of Business Is to Increase Its Profits".[5] In it, he argued that a company has no social responsibility to the public or society; its only responsibility is to its shareholders.[6]

Meanwhile, we've decided that these corporations are people. Psychopaths who have no moral responsibilities to anyone but their shareholders, but people nonetheless.

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[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 41 points 1 week ago (4 children)

The "what does this say about society" question bugs the shit out of me. It means that our society is sick and tired of being the only rich nation in the world where getting sick or injured will bankrupt you. If these people were truly concerned about the good of society, they'd quit sucking us dry for every dollar that they can and would advocate for a better system.

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[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 202 points 1 week ago (6 children)

This was a random killing by a mentally ill person. Let’s not turn a tragic incident into a trend. Most people don’t hate CEOs. They don’t care about CEOs. They have bigger issues to care about.

How fucking tone-deaf is this person? The bigger issues that we care about are things like going bankrupt from getting sick or injured. Those issues are directly caused by their CEOs. This wasn't a random killing, which is why people are so happy about it.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 59 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Soooo out of touch it's hilarious.

Please, go ahead and continue to show how little understanding you have for the common man, by all means.

[–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 44 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They're not out of touch, they're just trying to control the narrative.

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[–] snekerpimp@lemmy.world 143 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Here’s an idea, make human life more important than line go up. I’m pretty sure that would get alllllll of your asses off the firing line.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 48 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What if the line going up wasn't money, but the value of human life? 🤔

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[–] ArbiterXero@lemmy.world 39 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Okay but what if we just sent everyone some stickers with our logo on it?

I mean EVERYBODY loves stickers. Then w we can keep making money, you can keep dying and you’ll have some great bling for your toddlers coffin!

Everybody wins!

Think of how few stickers are on the average toddler’s coffin?

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[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 122 points 1 week ago (3 children)

“Journalists look for heroes and villains; life is not that simple. Why is the killer getting 10 times as much press as the person who was killed?”

I agree with the last part of this quote, but probably not in the same way they wanted.

Why aren't we hearing more about the policies the CEO supported that caused so much pain and suffering?

Why did I have to learn about them having double the industry-standard claims denial rate through a meme and not through news articles everywhere?

Why am I not seeing more articles about how much money these people made by denying coverage? Why am I not seeing articles about their political contributions to keep healthcare privatized?

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[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 109 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (12 children)

Most people don’t hate CEOs.

Uhhh, that actually might not be true.

If you were to do a poll in the US I think you can crack 51%, especially if you phrase it by mentioning that they have a fiduciary responsibility to maximize profit regardless of morality.

Edit: just had a thought. Given how much more money they make than the average worker, and that the average worker puts their health at risk by sitting at a desk so much, this might actually make sense in terms of risk/reward structure.

If the ultra wealthy make more than 1000 than me, shouldn’t they take 1000 times more risk of dying (I’m not supporting violence).

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 56 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why would anybody hate CEOs?

(Btw this is just in the past month)

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[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago

I would think that the title of CEO might not be appropriate to every organization either. I know a rather big org where the CEO is basically someone who begs for investors, and the CAO does what a CEO usually does. There are orgs where that's the CFO, or the COO. Regardless of the title, it's all executives we're angry about because of the incredible income disparities versus actual responsibilities.

The executives I've met are essentially hype men or thumbs up thumbs down types. All of them were finance types or management types. To me, if your only qualification is many years of managing with barely any experience in the actual product/service your org provides, then that's a problem.

Hospitals run by management types? Engineering services run by accountants? It's all middlemen extracting piece of the pie from the people actually doing the work.

As a society we need to purge the system of middlemen period. The internet made middlemen obsolete, yet they are still exploiting labor in ridiculous ways.

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[–] noobface@lemmy.world 103 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

"Our industry is built around devaluing human life for profit. Why aren't these people valuing our lives?"

It's like a sketch comedy show. They can't be this dumb.

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[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 103 points 1 week ago (1 children)

United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson was fatally shot on Dec. 4, 2024. The public response was generally not sympathetic.

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The public response was generally not sympathetic.

The words they use are an attempt to weaken the impact of the hit. The public response wasn't sympathetic, it was generally celebratory.

The elite cannot fathom being anything other than better than those below them. Deserving. They "got theirs."

Maybe it was the significant amount of lead in the atmosphere for a long time that caused widespread brain damage, but it's so obvious how disconnected from reality they are. Thompson's death highlighted that reality applies to them too, and they can't handle it.

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[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 100 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

— “My challenge is keeping employees engaged. How do you maintain a sense of purpose if you think your customers hate you?”

Your customers DO hate you. It's not just what you think, it's reality.

Maybe rather than trying to maintain a sense of purpose for what you're doing, you should take a step back and question WHAT you're doing, and whether it has any purpose in society at all other than making you money?

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 38 points 1 week ago (4 children)

if you think your customers hate you?”

They were under the impression that the customers didn't hate them? How out of touch are they?

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[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 87 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well, corporate America is made up of hardworking Americans who do their best to reward the investors, and many times those investors are pension funds

Ah yes, every day I wake up to go to work just to do my best to reward the investors. Not because I need to pay for living expenses, just because I love pleasing the investors.

JFC these people are living in a fantasy world.

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[–] theangryseal@lemmy.world 69 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Just wanted to comment on these two.

“I have to wonder if the demonization of corporate America and the wealthy over the last four years planted a mind virus in the assassin’s mind.”

Fuck you! You have the mind virus. A virus which leads you to believe that the rest of us should suffer because you’re better. Eat shit anonymous CEO.

“If you walk by the place where it happened, it’s business as usual, which gives me some perspective. This was a random killing by a mentally ill person. Let’s not turn a tragic incident into a trend. Most people don’t hate CEOs. They don’t care about CEOs. They have bigger issues to care about.”

Then light some candles and put out some flowers you fucking cowardly parasite. Hold a vigil, gather your CEO buddies and sing Kumbaya. Be sure and post the date online so all of the healthcare CEOs know when to be there.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 43 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Most people don’t hate CEOs.

The public reaction to this event disagrees with this claim.

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[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 64 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 60 points 1 week ago

Why don’t you love your oligarchy overlords? All our surveys say you’re happy to have no choices other than the ones our questionnaire leads you to. You didn’t cancel your subscriptions after we jacked the prices up a half dozen times in the last five years and/or shoved ads at you, so you must be happy.

[–] riskable@programming.dev 50 points 1 week ago (9 children)

The disconnect between public perception and personal humanity has been striking, with some commentary bordering on dehumanizing.

Yeah it's a lot easier to humanize someone who makes six figures than someone who makes seven. Why don't you start there?

Or maybe just make it so the CEO doesn't make 700x more than the lowest paid worker. You don't even have to reduce the CEO pay to do it! Just lift up those other people.

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[–] nick@midwest.social 49 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Awww poor billionaires. So sad.

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 47 points 1 week ago (9 children)

US income distribution is on the same level as fucking Russia. Bring back the tax brackets from the 1950's and 60's.

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[–] Chee_Koala@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (15 children)

"...

We are quoting anonymously those who did respond, to allow them the freedom to give us their most candid answers. These have been edited for length and clarity. Some have previously been reported by Fortune.

**Personal responses to the killing **

— “The disconnect between public perception and personal humanity has been striking, with some commentary bordering on dehumanizing. This highlights the critical need to humanize leadership and address the pressures faced in high-visibility roles.”

— “My challenge is keeping employees engaged. How do you maintain a sense of purpose if you think your customers hate you?”

— “I have to wonder if the demonization of corporate America and the wealthy over the last four years planted a mind virus in the assassin’s mind.”

— “If you walk by the place where it happened, it’s business as usual, which gives me some perspective. This was a random killing by a mentally ill person. Let’s not turn a tragic incident into a trend. Most people don’t hate CEOs. They don’t care about CEOs. They have bigger issues to care about.”

..."

Wow. 'demonization', 'need to humanize leadership'... Are these human people that were interviewed? Did these human persons speak anyone outside their immediate circle in the last three decades? I can hardly believe that, this is so out of touch that these folk may have never been touched by anything in their lives. I wasn't prepared for this speedrun worldrecord to definitively prove total lack of empathy and understanding.

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[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If you walk by the place where it happened, it’s business as usual, which gives me some perspective. This was a random killing by a mentally ill person. Let’s not turn a tragic incident into a trend. Most people don’t hate CEOs. They don’t care about CEOs. They have bigger issues to care about

I hope this guy gets it next. How fucking out of touch can you be that you dismiss this as "a mentally ill person doing mentally ill things"? What a fucking loser!

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 42 points 1 week ago (20 children)

This was at the end of the article Forbes presented me with:

Do you have what it takes to make it to the C-suite? Learn how Fortune 500 CEOs overcame surprising obstacles on the road to the corner office...

I don't want to make it to the C-suite. That sounds awful. I want to help specific people solve problems they have helping other people.

Do other people think like this? Like they want a corner office and a big car? Am I that fucking abnormal that this sounds like a death sentence to me?

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[–] redisdead@lemmy.world 41 points 1 week ago

“When I was growing up, CEOs didn’t make millions more than everyone else in the company. I think we have to reflect on why there’s so much anger and do something about it.”, said someone who will do absolutely nothing about it.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 39 points 1 week ago

its not a new reality dudes. you just did not know.

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Its the same reality as before except they realize how close they are to the edge separating the game where they abuse us from the part where they don't get to play the game.

All of us play the game daily...go to work, do some good stuff, come home, eat, sleep. The good stuff. Why do we get so little and they get so much?

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[–] beliquititious@lemmy.blahaj.zone 37 points 1 week ago (5 children)

The biggest fear is that the hatred expressed in social media posts about Thompson—and glorification of 26-year-old shooting suspect Luigi Mangione—will lead to copycat attacks, says Bill George, a former Medtronic CEO and executive fellow at Harvard Business School. “People are in disbelief that they would be making this kid into a hero,” he told Fortune.

Fortune reached out to dozens of CEOs this week to get a sense of how they’re reacting to this moment. The majority declined to comment. We are quoting anonymously those who did respond, to allow them the freedom to give us their most candid answers. These have been edited for length and clarity. Some have previously been reported by Fortune.

— “The disconnect between public perception and personal humanity has been striking, with some commentary bordering on dehumanizing. This highlights the critical need to humanize leadership and address the pressures faced in high-visibility roles.”

— “When I was growing up, CEOs didn’t make millions more than everyone else in the company. I think we have to reflect on why there’s so much anger and do something about it.”

— “I think we’re living through very seriously dangerous times where we’re normalizing antisocial behavior and normalizing violence on both extremes—on the far right, and on the far left. We basically moved, over the last 10 to 12 years, to a world that I don’t recognize. It’s very scary … I do understand that there’s enormous amounts of injustice and that we need to bring everybody along, and there’s a lot of things that we do, but I don’t think revolution is the answer to solving problems.” (a former CEO)

[–] redwattlebird@lemmings.world 44 points 1 week ago (4 children)

"critical need to humanise leadership"

What about humanising your customer base? Humanising employees?

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[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 34 points 1 week ago

The biggest fear is that the hatred expressed in social media posts about Thompson—and glorification of 26-year-old shooting suspect Luigi Mangione—will lead to copycat attacks

[–] extremeboredom@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago

People are in disbelief that they would be making this kid into a hero

Last time I checked, he was a full grown 26 year old man who made his own decisions, not a "kid."

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[–] forrcaho@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I can't get inside the head of any of the crazies who go on a rampage and shoot up a school or a house of worship, but it gives me comfort to think that such people now know that if they shoot a CEO instead of a classroom full of children they will be regarded as having made a positive contribution to society. I really hope school shootings will go down after this, and I think they may well.

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