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[–] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 hours ago
[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 3 points 11 hours ago

No...? It is a big country with many states and cities. Shit is complicated. Some things run well, others are delicate. It all depends what you're looking at.

Why is it still around? That is a peculiar question. Do you imagine the people disappearing? Probably not. So ... what do you mean?

[–] sevan@lemmy.ca 12 points 15 hours ago

I think the only reason the US continues to exist in its current state is due to the global power of the US currency. It is the dominant currency for international exchange, which gives the US government extraordinary influence in international affairs AND gives corporations and wealthy people a reason to be based in the US. There are historical similarities with other countries having a dominant currency such as the British Pound or Dutch Guilder during those countries periods of imperial dominance. The empire is likely to persist as long as the currency remains dominant no matter how badly it is mismanaged.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 9 points 16 hours ago

One thing you need to understand is that the US is a Federal system.

Take education. Every state has its own standards, and each individual county has its own Board of Education. Two towns in the same state can have vast differences in curriculum and standards. Same with police forces. One jurisdiction might have all college graduates and another might accept GEDs.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 46 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's a series of highly efficient machines, each optimized to the point of fragility. Think of the supply chain disruptions during Covid. The cost of shipping is so cheap that it can make sense to ship even simple products back and forth across the ocean several times as they move up the value chain. But if one of those links breaks, the whole house of cards collapses. In generations past, commerce needed huge buffers in the supply chains, and the chains themselves were kept simple. In the days of wooden sailing ships, ships arriving late or not all were common. Before computerized inventory tracking and just in time manufacturing, storing large quantities of intermediary parts was also required. These buffers in the systems represented economic inefficiency, but they also produced resiliency.

America is a series of highly efficient industrial juggernauts built on feet of clay. Any good you buy at the grocery store or big box retailer is going to have a huge logistics supply chain behind it. And that chain will be, in economic terms, highly efficient. It will also be very fragile.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 10 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

this is an incredibly accurate and well written depiction.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago
[–] Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me 96 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's a machine that used to be well oiled but management's been deferring maintenance for decades, the oil's gross, it's leaking everywhere and overheating, it's barely hanging on, and the manufacturer's long been out of business.

[–] DashboTreeFrog@discuss.online 41 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Plus people have just kinda been putting mouse traps in the machine here and there.

[–] leftzero@lemmynsfw.com 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And taking out important parts of the machine and replacing them with mousetraps.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Don't forget the duct tape.

[–] CrazyLikeGollum@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Or the WD-40, can't forget that.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago

But the people writing the instruction manuals every year are convinced they are the only ones able to understand the original manufacturer’s intent. Thus all the constant changes they are making to the instructions are perfectly valid and everyone should follow those. Also bear traps.

[–] nick@midwest.social 24 points 1 day ago

Well oiled… with the blood of the working class and the poor

[–] Nyxicas@kbin.melroy.org 13 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

It is held together by duct-tape.

[–] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

Stop living in the past. We've got flex seal now.

[–] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 3 points 16 hours ago

Bubble gum.

Duct tape actually holds things together well; the US is going to collapse any minute now.

[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago

America is still around because a continent does not go down easily.

The society and the country called Us and a which you are probably talking about, they are very busy at the moment with de-inventing themselves.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago

It's a well oiled machine for transferring wealth from the poor to the rich.

[–] President@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm not American, but surely this is some form of false dichotomy when you restrict answers to such inflammatory options?

[–] BeN9o@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's not worded where it's either one or the other, they're asking "is it this, or this?" Anyone can say "it's neither, here's why".

[–] leftzero@lemmynsfw.com 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

At this point it's mostly mousetraps, though.

[–] ccunning@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

They are well oiled though…

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 10 points 1 day ago

It is a series of smaller machines of various qualities with many of the machines getting randomly replaced at times.

People have a general idea how a lot of it works, but it isn't perfect.

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 21 points 1 day ago

The prison industrial complex is a well oiled mouse trap making machine.

[–] Blackout@fedia.io 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The only machine here is the one that turns grade school kids into fertilizer. Ohh say can you seeeee....

[–] ElPussyKangaroo@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I only meant well.

[–] myster0n@feddit.nl 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's a well oiled machine that turns the greed of some people into the misery for other people

[–] Lemming421@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The greed of a relatively small number of people and misery for an almost unimaginably large number of others.

Objectively tiny, as well as relatively small

[–] QProphecy@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (5 children)

In one word, "dysfunctional".

Edit: yes, I made a mistake and corrected it after I read SpaceNoodle's remark.

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[–] Blaze@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago

Feel free to crosspost to !AskUSA@discuss.online

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

America is a rather young country compared to others. The others have gone through these issues already.

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

...or disppeared. Lots and lots have disappeared.

The US has been around for less than 250 years. That's less than four times as long as the Soviet union, which didn't even last a lifetime.

And America's issues are uniquely American. It has similarities to feudalism in France, but it is not at all the same.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's not, though. America is young as a nation, but as a country with a set political system it's one of, if not the oldest in the world.

[–] Maestro@fedia.io 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And that's a problem. Other countries modernize and improve their political systems. The US clings to archaic institutions like the electoral college.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 points 1 day ago

I'd say it's a testament to the stability of the US political system, which is related to but not the same thing as their political establishment's resistance to change. When I said "a set political system", I meant more as opposed to France's two kingdoms and five republics, the Ottoman Empire's transition to modern Turkey or the Russian empire becoming the USSR. I don't think not going through that kind of transformation can be called stagnation, though the US definitely suffers from that too.

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

France invented constitutionalism and you were the first to adapt it after them. That's important political history, but don't overestimate yourselves.

England has been the same kingdom since the early 10th century.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

England has been the same kingdom since the early 10th century.

It hasn't, though. The modern UK is a union of England, Scotland and Ireland and was created by the Act of Union in 1800, and if you don't count that then you go back to the Treaty of Union in 1707. That's definitely older than the US so good point there, but either way modern Britain is hardly the same political entity as Norman England.

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 0 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

England is England. They have laws going back until before any of that. There's continuity all the way. Joining a union does not mean your country stops existing.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 0 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

It does in the sense that it stops being a country and becomes a part of a country. There's no country called England today.

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

England is a country that is part of the United Kingdom.

According to Wikipedia, anyway. I'm not sure what you think England is.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 points 13 hours ago

That is... Fair enough. I guess I don't understand the UK political system. Anyway that pushes us back to the mid-17th century when they tried their hand at being a Republic for a while.

[–] MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDown@fedia.io 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Since the mid 17th century, really. And does not currently exist as an independent nation. Which is exactly the point, they were making.

The US is certainly not the oldest institution in the world. And as a people, as a culture, yes, the US is rather young. But the US is relatively mature as far as continuous national governments go, and the oldest surviving democracy.

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 2 points 20 hours ago

Part of a political system is that it changes, but the House of Lords for example has roots back to the 11th century. Sure, things change through the centuries, but it's wrong to say they are not the same. The US has gained states and amended the constitution as well.

[–] Potatisen@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

It's well oiled for the people running it.

It's (barely?) good enough for the people who are units in the calculation.

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