Isn't this usually for saying the obvious thing that will never be done?
this post was submitted on 11 Oct 2023
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Famously, Kate Mulgrew (Janeway) tried to stop it. She was highly against it. She failed (hence the title chosen)
Thankfully seven was a pretty awesome character in addition to being sexy. Except in the later seasons where she was singing or wearing a dress every other episode. That was a bit much.
She was a useless character, making the borg completely absurd and ridiculous (sex suits instead of armour? High heels?), all to just put her in stupid situations where she just is a "damsel in distress" even though she's supposed to be an augmented human.
I don't have a lot of problems with Voyager as a show, but Seven is quite obviously at the top.
You can say a lot about seven but being a "damsel in distress" couldn't be farther from fhe truth, she was the most badass of them all and in some episodes aliens tried taking advantage of her and failed miserably. She was mostly put there for nerds to drool over, but she was not a badly written character and even had a decent development
I would say Jeri Ryan was also a very good actress, contrary to some peoples’ expectations.
In the episode “Body And Soul”, the Doctor puts his consciousness inside of Seven. Jeri Ryan has to act like the Doctor, and she has to act like the Doctor poorly acting like Seven. I’d say she perfectly captures Robert Picardo’s mannerisms.
I agree, she did great. But let's not pretend she was put in her tight dress and heels for a plot point. But yeah, her sexiness was only a minor part of her reasonably complex character, so it was not that bad after all.
Did you even watch voy, or Picard for that matter??
Damsel in distress, get the fuck out of here
You mean where a rigid borg-raised girl suddenly becomes a weird drunkard biker batman? Yeah, they managed to make it even more incoherent.
borg completely absurd and ridiculous (sex suits instead of armour? High heels?)
I always assumed that was the doctor playing dress up and she wasn't individual enough to contradict it. Once she came back to the Alpha Quadrant she clearly got some fashion sense
The infamous silver suit was, in-universe, explicitly the Doctor’s design. It was mumble mumble healing suit. Out of universe, it’s obviously an excuse for a horny outfit, but it was never a Borg design.
She actually didn’t keep it very long, switching to her purple outfit, which was slightly less exploitative. That outfit had nothing to do with the Borg, but was a result of her becoming more human.
FWIW, she should have been in a Starfleet uniform, at least after the first few episodes. She wore one well in the episode where she traveled back in time. If the show wanted to keep her unique, her uniform color could have been nonstandard, maybe white on the shoulders, but oh well that ship has sailed.
It works for me because Mulgrew really didn’t like Jeri Ryan at first, so throwing someone out the window for even suggesting a sexy new character makes sense.
(For anyone who hadn’t heard this before, it turned out fine. Mulgrew and Ryan were friends by the time the show ended.)
Give Kim a promotion
Damn, first thing I thought too. There are no original thoughts left in my head.
That's hilarious.
I need the "Promote Ensign Kim" version.
Idk what it was about Voyager, it never really popped as a series for me. Mulgrew was great.
She was also great as Red and Flemeth/Mythal (my money is on Mythal anyway).
The rest of the cast was rather blah. No on screen repor.
I will be forever mad about Voyager. Everything was set up to succeed: crew conflict! Unknown location! Some good actors! Voyager was a nice looking ship!
And then, famously, the actors playing humans were told to be blah and less dynamic to let the alien characters stand out more, and the series had to follow a more stagnant TNG style (they tried to serialize certain plot threads which I appreciate but were confined to episodes of the week a lot of the time).
Like, I can just imagine a mirror universe where the entirety of season 1 was the Starfleet and Maquis crews learning to work together, and conflict and drama as they're brought together by even more hostile external forces, and also the actors were allowed to actually act and stuff.
What you're saying is you wish Ira Steven Behr ran the show instead of Rick Berman. And really, don't we all wish that?
Voyager was the wrong direction to take Trek. They were trying to recapture the TNG spirit, but TNG had been running out of steam during its last season and it's formula was already dated. DS9 was daring and innovative, but Voyager basically ignored all that. It was looking backwards at a time when TV was moving forward. It could have worked if it was better written I guess, but the premise was flawed from the start.
Not saying I can't enjoy Voyager. It's the most mid of the 90's shows but it has its moments where it really shines and like the poster above said Kate Mulgrew is great! It was just the begining of the end for its era of Trek.
It's a show that did a lot right and a lot wrong. Like, holy shit, they actually had a child character I liked! But they made Neelix maximally annoying. He could have been a good character if they'd dialed down the obsequiousness and dropped the "Mr Vulcan" bit. There were some great episodes, like "Year of Hell", some terrible ones, like "Threshold".
The worst sin, though, was spelling out the premise very explicitly (down to the number of torpedoes on board!), and then completely ignoring most of it.
Voyager had to do everything from scratch, which is a strength and a curse. They had whole new enemies and quadrant dynamics and at times did build these into wider stories, but it often became a quick hit "monster of the week" situation that would gin something up and throw it away. The "always be going home" mcguffen added friction to the plot at points that TNG "we just exploring, yo" didn't have, which hurt the plot lines.
They also clamped down on some dynamics like romance between the crew, which made it feel wooden at times. Id also note the convenient "tom paris loves the 50-90s pop culture for some reason, so we can totally write about current day LA and old monster movies" to be painfully stale decades later.
Rapport is the traditional spelling of that word by the way.
In case you need to connect a written word with a spoken one
While my tastes are different, yours is an opinion I can respect, because you recognize Mulgrew’s awesomeness.
The Borg queen was great. She should get her own spinoff.
I couldn't agree more!