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I like this approach. "funny meme" aside, I think it is a good way of showing how much a certain language can affect how other people think and feel about a subject. Just read it THAT way and "being neurotypical" suddenly sounds like a disorder that isn't fully compatible with the public, doesn't it?

We live in a world that isn't exactly kind to people on the spectrum. It is loud, flashy, hectic, overwhelming, unrewarding but you're still expected to work like a cog in a machine, despite having fewer and fewer places where you'd actually "fit in" without grinding gears, and whenever there is some sort of public talk about that topic, it always, always sounds like the affected person is the problem and personally responsible for fixing themselves, when a no small part of "not fitting in" is due to society itself. Maybe a change in language is due to remove that stigma.

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[–] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Points 2 and 5 are waaaay off but the rest are pretty funny.

Point 2 is literally the definition of ND folk who get ankle deep in a new hobby then abandon it when their interest passes.

Point 5... I'd wager the vast majority of ND people blow at math. They also absolutely suck at seeing patterns you aren't hyper focusing on lol. It's literally baked into the diagnoses of ADHD comorbidities.

[–] Setarkus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is "blow" the opposite of "suck" or of similar meaning in this context?

[–] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Setarkus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Wonderful, thank you ^^

[–] Enkrod@feddit.de 24 points 1 year ago

Every time you avoid small talk you get a lovely sticker

Germans: I have so many stickers!

Finns: crushed by weight of stickers, nobody calling for help

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

“Your interests are shallow” → “You aren’t interested in things for their intrinsic use value, but for their exchange value in forming social bonds with other neurotypicals who have imprinted on the same token (TV show, political party, sports team, etc.) Talking about these interests is not primarily an exchange of information, but rather a grooming behaviour, like chimpanzees picking lice out of each other’s coats, only done with language “

[–] funbreaker@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago

Stop, stop! they're already dead!

[–] Lizardking27@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Marruk@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Lmao what a shit take.

Great summary of every comment you've made in this thread.

[–] Lizardking27@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I mean yeah if I described autism using a bunch of statements that absolutely do not define autism, then it would sound dumb and bad. OP is acting like this is a list of neurotypical behaviors when it's actually just an inverted list of neurodivergent behaviors. Neurotypicality is not the reciprocal of neurodivergence.

[–] eatthecake@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I'm beginning to get the impression that people with autism reaaaally don't like people witbout autism.

[–] deaf_fish@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago

I'm married to one. They don't dislike people without autism. They just don't like the social norms and expectations that cause them harm.

This is a venting post. I don't think anyone is interested in harming non autistic people.

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hey, I love neurotypicals, they're great, hell one of my freinds younger brother has neurotypicalism and he's such a quirky lil goofball but he can actually behave himself most of the time too, we get along really well.

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago
[–] randomdeadguy@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

There may be a sore spot after centuries of dehumanizing abuse.

[–] Kedly@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Tbh because I've had to adapt to a neurotyp society in my own way, different from how other autistic people have had to adapt in THEIR own ways, I actually get along better with Nuerotyps better than other Autists, and no, fuck changing my terminology I dont mean Autist in a derogatory sense

[–] dbilitated@aussie.zone 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

wait the number pattern thing is autism? I'm sorry, I have ADHD and the ADHD doctor also told me I'm probably on the spectrum. wow I love number pattern stuff though, I didn't know it was associated.

I got 81 as a table number the other day and I was stoked because it's 3^4. on reflection the doctor was probably right.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

ADHD and autism are commonly comorbid.

[–] Restaldt@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Got any strong opinions on trains or planes

[–] dbilitated@aussie.zone 2 points 1 year ago

I mean I fucking love planes but less particular models and more that I'm still blown away they work at all. I love sitting on them and thinking about all the engineering.

[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Allistic, weird.

[–] Deestan@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago
[–] Deestan@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Neurotypicals are an important part of a full and inclusive society, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't spend resources looking for a cure, or look into causes and ways to prevent it.

[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Some of those points apply tho other not-neurotypicals.

[–] deaf_fish@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

True. I think the larger point is that we have to be careful what social norms we adopt as a society to make sure we aren't leaving a large group of people out.

I see this post as just venting and trying on a new perspective.

One of my exes is autistic and also had dyscalcula. Took me a while to accept that she will never enjoy math like I do. It was depressing.

[–] Globeparasite@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

"being decent at math" why would I work to be decent at something I can just bullshit my way through

[–] CarlsIII@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You read into phrases past their actual meanings

Instead of saying what you think, you expect others to infer it based on subjective social rules

I see these as legitimately bad things that people should not do. The fact that society considers this normal is horrible!

[–] Lizardking27@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You'd rather everyone just immediately believed everything anyone else said without any thought into the motivation or intent behind the words?

[–] CarlsIII@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You literally just did the thing I complained about.

[–] Lizardking27@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I mean, no, not really. What I said is still a part of what you proposed, just not specifically.

Like you can't suggest that everyone should jump off a high cliff without also suggesting that everyone should fall to the bottom. You can't say "I said jump, not fall! You're reading into my words beyond my intent!"

Have you never encountered symbolism? Poetry? Is your favorite book "See Spot Run" because every statement is entirely literal with no interpretation needed?

If you read the phrase "Upon seeing the knife in the strangers hand, she let out a scream." would you not infer that "she" is afraid of the knife person, or would you sit there scratching your head wondering "why did she scream? I don't understand, knives can be used for many purposes."

[–] CarlsIII@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What I said is still a part of what you proposed, just not specifically.

Absolutely not. What you said had nothing to do with anything I said. I did not say we should “believe everything everyone says.” That’s not even a part of what I said.

You then proceeded to:

read into phrases past their actual meanings

The alternative to “reading into phrases past their actual meanings” is not to “believe everything everyone says.” It’s simply not assuming someone intended to say something completely different than what they actually said, which is what you did.

And the alternative to “expecting others to infer what you think based on subjective social rules” is to just say what you mean in the first place.

See the conflict we’re having right now? We could have avoided this if you simply didn’t read into what I said past the actual meaning.

[–] Lizardking27@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Ah I see the confusion. You said "reading into phrases past their actual meanings" but defined that as "assuming someone intended to say something completely different than what they actually said." This is not, in fact. "reading into phrases past their actual meanings" and is, in fact, called "assuming someone is lying". With that cleared up, I agree with you. People should definitely stop assuming others are lying without a good reason.

[–] CarlsIII@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is not, in fact. “reading into phrases past their actual meanings” and is, in fact, called “assuming someone is lying”.

You just did it again!!

[–] Lizardking27@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

No, I didn't! You have no idea what you're even trying to say! I'm sorry but you're just incorrect. At no point have I interpreted anything you've suggested to mean anything other than exactly that.

[–] CarlsIII@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well then, thank God you’re here to tell me what my own words mean.

[–] Lizardking27@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Okay but should I interpret that comment literally like you suggest or should I "read into" it and determine you're being sarcastic?

Weren't you just saying people should "say exactly what they mean"?

Am I to interpret this as a sincere thank you, then? In which case. You're quite welcome. You seemed very confused and I'm happy to have provided some clarity in this matter. I hope what you learned today will be helpful to you going forward.

[–] CarlsIII@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ok, fine; you got me. I am now convinced. Nobody should ever say what they mean, and everyone should always assume everyone intends to say something completely different than what they actually said, in every situation. Also, sarcasm should be illegal. But even still, I didn’t need to hear your comment about how you are sexually attracted to animals. That seemed really out of place.

[–] Lizardking27@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

And with your sad attempt at a strawman argument (and your bizzarre animal comment that really just reinforced how unhinged you are), we know that you have nothing substantial left to say to support your ridiculous argument. You've contradicted yourself at least twice now and proven my point for me. Thank you. Maybe next time you'll keep your braindead take to yourself.