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Despite his defensive shortcomings, he’s shown elite shotmaking in the playoffs and is only 24. In my opinion, his ceiling is enormous. I can’t understand why people are praising the Warriors trading him for a 38 year old CP3.

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[–] junkit33@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Meh. Not convinced he’s even a positive player at 30 points a game. Traffic cone caliber defense and horrible inefficiency. He became very unplayable at times for the Warriors.

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[–] throwawaythursday99@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Wilt Chamberlain got traded at age 28 for a bunch of tomato cans.

[–] Parenegade@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean you're a Dallas Mavericks fan who's 2 best players are Luka Doncic and Kyrie Irving so I'm not surprised you hold that opinion.

[–] rpars18@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What does OP being a Mavericks fan have to do with his opinion? I’m confused

[–] Parenegade@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

They're guys who get a lot of buckets but might be lacking in some other areas. I don't think Luka's pound the rock out of the ball playstyle is conducive to winning basketball games at the end of the season and JP is basically Kyrie light in terms of playstyle.

[–] tmperflare@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Warriors had to offload some money because of the new salary cap rules and the luxury tax was starting to become too much. As a result they had to decide this offseason whether to keep Draymond or Poole and choosing Draymond is the much better option if you are trying to maximize Curry's window and win now. The reason why this trade is good is they are still getting a decent player back and most importantly the contract will be off the books next year.

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[–] STA_Alexfree@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Lol. Just wait and watch him this season and you’ll see why GSW traded him.

[–] itsmeng@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

*Contingent on the number of baddies in the front row

[–] MicHAELmhw@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Poole jacks a shot from the half court line...

Poole steps back from the free throw line... the opponents free throw line and jacks a shot.

Poole... behind the basket... on the sideline... jacks a one armed shot.

[–] Coke_ButNotTheDrug@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Idk man I’m curious to see what happens with him.

He was terrible last season but he was a key contributor to the 2022 championship run.

I doubt he’ll be a star but he’s not as bad as everyone seems to be saying.

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[–] zinc_fox@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Unless Poole becomes Steph Curry I doubt it

[–] SnooGuavas650@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We’ll see. We contend for one more title with the core and it’s worth it. Unless you think you can win a title with Poole as your best player?

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[–] CactusHooping@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

The warriors core is getting older and CP3 is old as well so they are gonna slow down the pace.

[–] irrelephantpark@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

absolutely unhinged take lol

[–] Uebelkraehe@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Turns out he didn't really like playing with a guy who sucker punched him and a team which didn't care.

[–] Mewmore@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

The more I see poole play the more I understand why draymond punched him in the mouth

[–] Fit_MedManiac@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

You can't convince me that you aren't a Rudy Gobert burner account.

[–] CaFTP@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

The Jordan Clarkson comparison is flat out silly. At 24 he was averaging 14 ppg. He never averaged 20 until last season. Poole definitely has a higher ceiling than that

[–] Party-Ad-7077@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Kuminga scoring 30 points == warriors fans need to stop acting like pre season matters LMFAO it’s not the regular season

Poole scoring 40 == warriors lost the trade severely, biggest mistake they ever made despite 80% of basketball fans saying they needed to trade him after the lakers series

[–] Parenegade@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

bro r/nba makes me sick because this is EXACTLY what i've been thinking

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[–] kellydayscruff@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Should the warriors have traded poole over draymond? No.

But poole is only this eras jamal crawford. He's not gonna be that guy on any legitimate team ever. The wizards are used to having mid level guys put up a bunch of numbers but no wins and that is exactly what will continue to happen.

[–] ajm1197@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Should you stop smoking crack? Yes.

[–] kellydayscruff@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Id rather be a crackhead than a wizards fan

[–] ajm1197@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Ain’t no wizards fan

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[–] DEEZLE13@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Dude gonna be forgotten in the first month as always

[–] syp2207@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

he’s shown elite shotmaking in the playoffs

among other things such as dogshit defense, the inability to take 5 steps without tripping on his own shadow, and a propensity to chuck bad shots

i hope he does well in washington, had lots of fun watching him on the warriors, but yall can fuck off with the overreactions after 1 preseason game

[–] rpars18@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I do believe Poole will be better in Washington where he’s the main option (along with Kuzma). The thing is with JP, he makes a lot of poor reads and his shot selection/defense needs a lot of work (which again, he could achieve playing in Washington). Routinely he’d double dribble or shoot 30 footers with 17 seconds on the shot clock when he wasn’t nearly efficient enough to justify taking them

His skill set is not of a winning ball player. You don't want that on your team.

[–] paranoidmoonduck@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I think the trade value on Poole should have been higher, I don't think he's a significantly worse player than Herro or any of the other high offense, low defense young combo guards in the league, but I think the move was the right one.

It wasn't happening in GS, he needed to be in a new environment and the Warriors needed a different kind of presence to come in for a serious playoff run.

[–] Stallion049@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

He could become a Trae Young level player and I'd still be completely fine with the trade

[–] No-Equipment-20@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

This is a narrative based league and I guarantee you if Poole balls out this season people will say “empty stats”, “he isn’t a winning player”, “this wouldn’t work next to Steph”, etc.

Some of those are more legitimate than others, but I hope Poole succeeds and proves people wrong

[–] online_computer@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Wizards giving poole the green light so they can flip him for picks

[–] 75DubFan@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

For us old head Warriors fans, nothing will match trading Mitch Richmond for Billy Owens or trading Robert Parish and the #3 pick that became Kevin McHale for the right to choose Joe Barry Carroll. In the long and tortured history of the Warriors, they’ve done far worse.

[–] ANBU_Black_0ps@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Pro athletes aren't video game characters they are also people.

The thing you aren't taking into account is that despite his on-court talents, a lot of dudes on that team just didn't fuck with him.

So he had to go because at the end of the day, if your coworkers hate you, it doesn't matter how good you are at your job, the team won't be successful.

[–] Klunko52@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Had dump his awful contract

[–] Fintann@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Lost the trade, win the west. Swept by the Hornets in the Finals.

[–] itsmeng@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Regardless of Poole's ceiling (except for rings), there are many more "worst of all time" trades in NBA history.

[–] MrWakey@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Yes, his ceiling is enormous. But he has a lot to work on to reach it, and it wasn't clear he was going to work on it on the Warriors. Iguodala said of him, "I would tell him, ‘Jordan, it looks like you’re trying not to try. Do you know how much energy it takes to try to not to try?" If he decides to try--chiefly, to use his undeniable physical gifts to play defense, which he can do--then he can be great. But it seemed like he'd decided not to do that on the Warriors.

[–] TheWestRemembers@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

The Warriors tried the two timeline thing, which would've been cool, if successful. Imo, the only issue was not grouping all their young assets together and chasing a star. Trading them one by one has netted them Gary Payton II and like you said, 38-year-old CP3. Looks like they're keeping Kunigma though, he's been balling.

[–] blur_reqz@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

We're going to see this post every time JP has a 40 point game this season. And they'll be nowhere to be found when he drops 6 points on 2/21 from the field. Either way, he was never going to play the way he wanted on the Warriors, he clearly had fallen out with the coaches and half the players (even Curry).

Cause cp3 more than likely increases their chances of winning right now, and that’s what matters when you have Steph curry. Additionally the league is oversaturated with guards who do exactly what Poole does (guys like Herro, simons, Maxey to an extent, etc) and while Poole could absolutely rise above these guys and become a boa gods star guard, he has to proof it first

[–] HotspurJr@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Look: we all saw what Jordan was capable of in '22. However, we all saw all of what Jordan was capable of:

Elite scoring, although not really in the flow with other guys. Questionable decision-making even when he was scoring well. A guy whose defensive limitations, when paired with Steph, meant that despite shooting the heck out of the ball, he was someone Kerr struggled to find minutes for.

If he builds on that, then he's a top-10 offensive player in the league. He's potentially that good.

On the other hand, he regressed hard last year. The defensive and ball handling lapses got worse. The scoring went from borderline elite to "he's just chucking up shots."

So, you know, yeah, if we call last year a wash and this year is building off '22, yes, 100%, Washington got a steal: a guy who can be your #1 scorer for a guy they never planned on keeping.

But let's maybe wait until we see it. Even before the '22 playoffs, there was some chatter in Warrior circles: "Is Poole this good, is he just coming off a nice long hot streak?"

[–] Specific-Yam-1555@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

He is so overhyped. People love pointing out how great he was in the 21-22 playoffs, but anybody who watched those games remember he was usually unplayable after game 3 in every series. The other teams would figure him out quickly and he could not adjust. 22-23 regular season is a lot closer to what he is a volume shooter with poor shot selection, turnover prone and to good to play defense

[–] ArtfulLying@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Don't you think if he was even half as good you think he is that the warriors wouldn't have just kept him?

He was not just bad on defense, he actively refuses to play defense and goes so far as to die on screens so that he doesn't have to try. Couple that with his immense turnover issues, slipping and sliding all over the court... like.. no. He was literally losing minutes and getting benched in the playoffs because he was so awful.

[–] SucculentT0e@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

He'll average 22 on 42 from the field

[–] scarvana@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Until the next time one of his teammates punch him. There's already tension in the wizards locker room

[–] BobLobLaw_Law2@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

You can tell how young someone is by how much they value flashy offense and never think about defense.

[–] Clones-by-Ghosts@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I wonder how he would've played last year if he never got punch, big believer that moment changed something in him.

Then again, NBA is a business, despite the assault, he's still an employee of GSW and underperformed to their standard. I hope he prosper in Wiz but time will tell.

[–] PerformanceDry5635@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Nah. Kumingga will be better than him in terms of fit and skill

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