Yes, seems sketchy.
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Nope, this is how it is. Source: I am a photographer
Wow. Usually people don't openly admit to being sketchy themselves.
I have barely murdered any models lately! Absolutely professional here
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Trust your instincts. Don’t work with a boudoir photographer you don’t trust 100%.
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Photographers do reach out quite a lot. So, it’s not outright sketchy.
If it’s TFP then it’s an area where there is so much flakiness; models not turning up and photographers not delivering/taking forever. If you’re happy to wait and your friends spoke well of him apart from the tardiness/responses then go for it. But if you value promptness and don’t want to be jerked around find another photographer - you will find plenty on FB or model mayhem…but they’ll be potentially harder to vet.
i don't get what the problem is? this is how 99% of people on instagram connect. check out his work if its legit and your friends didn't say anything bad then i'm sure you'll be fine.
i'm sure it just took him awhile because he's mixing in personal projects with paid work. when i do this paid work always comes first and i make that clear from the start.
I’d say this is not normal.
I did a lot of nude photography work for websites over the years, and most of the models were found specifically though ads or they would reach out to me through model applications directly on my website.
A photographer approaching girls online through social media to take their clothes off in front of a camera is… 100% sketch.
Is it though? Her friends gave their opinions, guy's clear about photos he's gonna make. And afaik boudoir is not nude. And shooting specifically for websites is also a different thing altogether.
Unsolicited requests for any type of scantily clad modeling is always creepy.
Pros use a real agency or post an ad, they don’t stalk contacts of past models on social media and message them for a session. Completely amateur and unprofessional. Also creeper level sketch. No real photographer does this. Ever.
Well, looks like it depends on the country. Where I'm from, there wasn't a modeling agency that was focused on boudoir/nude for a long, long time. All other agencies were focused strictly on fashion, so there was no way to get a "pro model from agency" for a shoot other than fashion or maybe beauty. So while that's sketchy for you, it's less so for me. Except for stalking contacts, but we don't know if that actually happened.
We got to create opportunities somewhere. I use social media often as well as handing out cards to strangers I find in public, that I feel would appreciate my style of work. It's a grind out there. But yes creeps definitely exist. Be weary but he worked with her friends, they liked the work and said they acted appropriately. The photographer is probably loaded up with work. Editing can take forever and drain you. I feel that pain when the due dates are stacking up. Biting off more than you can chew. I'd trust your friends who have worked with him. Maybe bring one of them along for the first shoot? A photographer should never deny that request to a friend.
No professional photographer does this. Ever.
I think this highly depends on what her instagram actually is.
If it's pictures of her, her kids, a dog, and a minivan with spinners, this is pretty wild and I don't see where he got the idea.
If it's her insta shilling her OF, I'd say it's pretty normal, if not expected.
No professional photographer does this. Ever.
Lol. This is so 100% not true.
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This is ridiculously close-minded. Your definition of legitimate collaboration involves people already being able to find you and requesting to work
Is that what you plan on telling people who don’t have networks or are building experience? That they need to create applications on their websites and are not allowed to reach out to models?
Elitist and embarrassing.
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If you like his works and want to do that photoshoot, but not feeling really secure, why not bring a friend with you?
But if you do that (it's totally understandable) take a quiet one that doesn't disturb the photoshoot.
And if he even slightly hesitates, that’s a hard no
A friend/chaperone being present shouldn’t be an issue whatsoever to any professional (or decent amateur). Hell, they’d probably like having someone being on hand to hold personal items and a robe… one less thing they need to do
True. I like when there's another person - I just treat them as an assisant! :D that way they don't get bored as easily, because bored friend can sometimes be an issue.
Same. I treat tag-along friends and parents etc. as unpaid help. They typically love being involved.
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It's not Moses by any chance?
Absolutely nothing wrong with this, this is how photographers who are still starting approach new customers
Established photographers do this all the time as well.
Tbh I wouldn’t.
I would do that from time to time when it was a friend of a friend/client situation. There’s nothing inherently bad or sketchy about by itself. If he’s charging you, he’s just drumming up business. If he’s offering TFP or something, he may just like your look. That’s not to say there’s zero chance he may ask you out afterwards, but that’s just interactions between people in general. Don’t expect it to happen.
Photographers do this all the time
If you want to do a boudoir photoshoot then yes, do it
If you don’t, then do???
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Not sure what else you want if you already have reference from your friends.
It doesn't seem sketchy. But boudoir shoots are sexual in nature so it's not for everyone to do this kind of thing. You can bring a friend for safety and the photographer should always be okay with that - otherwise it's a red flag
Absolutely bring a female friend. That's for the safety of you and him both in the times we live in. I did boudoir when it was the thing in the 80s and ALWAYS had them bring a friend if I did not have a female helper in the studio already. It's an intimate experience that can be more comfortable with a supportive pal along.
How would you go about this just starting out in photography?
This is just paranoia.
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Although I’d love to have a shoot for myself
If you're both adults and he seems trustworthy to your friends then go for it. Just be sure you are comfortable with any agreements you enter and read the fine print.
Some people may want to keep these shots confidential and not end up on Instagram, for example. If confidentiality is your preference, be up front with that.
I don't think it soudns sketchy, given you're on social media it seems he just wants to expand his brand more. Very common in the photographer field since it's absurdly competitive.
A good tell i to ask if he is ok if you bring a chaperone.
Second look at his portfolio and see if the photos hold to a standard that you like.
Ask for a tfp contract.
perfectly normal. If you have referrals from friends or acquaintances, the better. Good photographers take time to develop, adjust and retouch each photo, one by one, and that is an artistic work that also takes time.
Odd that he would contact you.
No, it's not odd at all.
cough Dahmer cough
He will keep copies and then touch his pee pee looking at them! 😂
To the point about returning pictures the photographer took, is this a paid situation and then a model release is signed or is this where there is a TFP contract where you trade your time for X number of photos?
Are you doing a lot of IG modeling? If so, then it's not particularly sketch. If you're not though and some photographer just reached out to you to randomly pose in your underwear, then I would maybe think twice.
It sounds like this person might be what they call a GWC. That is an amateur or hobbyist photographer, usually a middle aged guy who photographs young "models" in skimpy clothes with mediocre lighting. They love boudoir and OFTEN refer to their low rent imagery as "art" even though it would be more classed as soft porn.
Definitely vote for bringing a friend. It’s good practice, and I would almost insist on it as a condition. Having that third party protects both subject and photographer by eliminating “he said, she said” to a certain degree. Besides it’s also that extra pair of hands to assist the subject with makeup, wardrobe changes and other little things we don’t necessarily think of. While shooting I may ask for help holding reflectors or moving a light.
I'd say it's the photographers's job to set the relationship up and start from message one to ensure your comfort.
I used to do a lot of TFP type shoots. As a photographer, I always A) Had references B) Offered to shoot in a safe, neutral environment C) Offered opportunity to bring a friend.
Now that I'm a little older, I stopped just because I felt it hard to get past possible "creepy guy" vibes, but it really was always out of love for photography.
My experience with other male photographers is that your kind of 60/40. 60% creepy. Others can weigh in but that first message is important in my view.
Don’t go. If you feel insecure just don’t go. You won’t be relaxed during the shoot so how could the images be as good as they could be.
i don't do boudoir, but that's how i look people for shoots.
i mean, what other way is there aside from hiring a model?
It's how 99.9% of TFP photoshoots happen lol
Apparently they seem to think you do pretty well so I don't think it's sketchy.
Well, it seems fishy, maybe he just want pics to fap to
Not a huge red flag upfront, this is how a lot of people connect. However shooting boudoir with someone as a first shoot isn't something I'm a huge fan of.
Definitely bring someone with you. If he's against that it would be a giant red flag.
About taking a while to deliver pictures I would discuss beforehand what to expect. Both the number of pictures and the timeframe. Not responding to a request for a status update is a shitty thing to do. Clear communication is key, especially when doing something like boudoir.
I always tell the girls I shoot with it’s something I think every girl should do because we’re only young once! I always like to bring wine
Yeah wine and roofies!
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