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Begginer here! I've been messing with some of the EQ on my tangzu wan'er, trying to find my favorite tuning in order to get a nice pair of quality iem.

Anyway, I setteled on a weird m-shaped tuning, it is quite bright and clear but not harsh,and it still has some bass kicking and an overall beefiness to the sound. I'll add a picture of the graph for reference.(Its from wavelet graphic EQ, beware it is only up to 8k hertz)

The thing is I just can't seem to find any iem that has a similar graph, honestly most of the iems have a slightly wavy line throughout the bass to mid but pretty balanced and only get whacky at the very high frequencies, am I missing something? Or do I just have a weird taste?

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[–] Antiwhippy@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

This is just a classic V-shape lol.

[–] Namamodaya@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Just means that there's a chance you might like a mild V-shaped or 'fun' tuning more than the neutral-ish tuning the Wan'er has, which is perfectly fine. There's a lot of V-shaped IEM options as well.

[–] Beany51@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

It’s not bad but you’d definitely hear some bass roll of considering the mid bass is quite boosted. The mid range dip would be pretty noticeable too

[–] ApolloMoonLandings@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Actually you haven't adjusted things that much since your adjustments are within a plus to minus 2.5 dB range. Everyone's ear canals are different. Ear canals have different shapes, overall volumes, and different angles. You have simply used EQ in order to tweak the Wan'er sound signature in order to suit your personal preferences and your particular ears. At the end of the day, the only thing that truly matters are that these EQ tweaks sound good to you.

Interestingly, your EQ dip at right around 2 kHz is the exact region which I disliked about the Wan'er since I found this region to be a bit too bright for me. All IEMs have to simulate the ear pinna gain. Simulating the ear pinna gain starts at 1 kHz and has a rise above this region which eventually reaches a peak. If the rise above 1 kHz is too quick (as is the case with the Wan'er) then the simulated pinna gain will sound annoyingly bright. If the rise is a bit too slow, then this results in a very relaxing sound which perhaps is a bit lacking in details, yet is an IEM which you can listen to for long periods of time without developing listening fatigue. The Hola is an example of an IEM which avoids listening fatigue which can be listened to for hours on end, yet is a bit lacking in details.

In a nutshell, you simply "fixed" the Wan'er to best suit your preferences in terms of removing the listening fatigue issue, and adding a bit of bass and treble to make these IEMs float your boat.

I assume that you have been looking at lots of frequency response graphs on squiglink. IEMs measure a bit wacky above 8 kHz since this is past the resonance frequency of most of the microphone couplers which are used to measure IEM frequency response. The people who measure and post graphs on squiglink don't have thousands of dollars to spend on the ultimate in professional measuring equipment. In other words, take all measurements above 8 kHz with a huge grain of salt in terms of accuracy in the measurements, yet these measurements can indicate a general overall trend as to whether or not any headphone or IEM either has some air above 8 kHz or completely lacks any air above 8 kHz.

And for some final food for thought, frequency response graphs merely measure the peaks of the sine waves at any point in the frequency response graph. The frequency response graphs do not capture anything about how clean or distorted the sine waves actually are. A super perfect sine wave has less inherent energy when measured from from peak to peak than a distorted sine wave when measured from peak to peak. The microphone in the measurement coupler is only measuring the peaks of the sine waves. Yet your ear can easily perceive differences in the total energy which is contained in a pure sine wave versus a distorted sine wave. This, for example, is why planar IEM graphs might indicate that the bass response should have the same perceived intensity as the bass response from a dynamic driver which measures the same, yet the intensity which you actually hear usually will be quite different.

I hope that I did not overload you with too much information. On the other hand, I hope that I offered some fun stuff to think about.

[–] -Demort-@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

So if i do understand correct, you using wavelet. I was playing with eq for a very long time, about a year for one headphones. Counting autoeq, theoretically graph on picture show about true sound graph. I can't say that i liked M-shape, but for a long time i thought that Hard V-shape is awesome, especially for metall. But step by step, after a year, i understood that i don't lke V-shape, and any hard shape of these presets. Now i prefer something about flat, with gain from 2khz and higher + slight gain in bass.

[–] Nosapaw@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

M shape is so unpopular because letters are a dumb way of classifying sound signatures, besides "v shape".

Your EQ is pretty much a v shaped eq, scooping a lot of the mids 500-2khz and emphasizing bass and mid treble, it just doesn't look like so because you're looking at a very limited EQ window.

Any IEM that has a similar graph

Where are you looking for graphs?

Just because an item has a graph that resembles a "M" doesn't mean it's going to sound similar to your tangzu wan er with that eq.

[–] PringlesWithBuzzCut@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

After posting here I got enlightened so yeah I kinda understand now, though I'd still love some advice on an iem. I've looked up some iems and after some research I've narrowed it down to:

-Sennheiser IE200 (and after some while get a new cable and do the tape mod if needed). -Tangzu zetian wu. -Truthear hexa. -etymotics er2xr ( although I never tried the deepfit earplugs) -letshouer s12 pro

I'm biased towards the IE200 because I like the design of them much over the bulky s12 and zetian wu

I try to strictly look at crinacle graphs but something I don't find one so I look at the squedlink.