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[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 1 points 3 hours ago

The only issue with LFS is maintenance. It is one thing to set it up but having to manually keep it all up to date does not sound like fun.

[–] Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu 37 points 3 days ago (1 children)

LFS is great, I started with it 25 years ago (not joking, it was GCC 2.9 time)

But quickly discovered Gentoo and been there since that time. LFS is not maintainable, Gentoo is the good of LFS plus perfect maintainability.

[–] bodaciousFern@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Never actually tried LFS but I have done Gentoo from stage 1 (back when that was an option), so I'm going to use your statement as an indication I can skip LFS 😁

[–] flubba86@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

I did Gentoo from stage 1 too back in the day, it's was a valuable learning experience for me, and those skills helped me to fix things when they went wrong down the track.

[–] Mwa@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago

Wonder how long it took to build the system and compile everything.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 23 points 3 days ago (2 children)

it's nice to see people are still doing this; bravo!

i've also intended to try my hand at this, but my inner masochist is too lazy for it. lol

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I do miss the way I used to be where I would get things exactly as I want and experiment with things. Now I just want to slap something on and be using it within the hour.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 days ago

same here on both counts.

i created a convincing lcars interface based on enlightenment 20-ish years ago and it would take on a whole new level of enjoyment nowadays with a touchscreen laptop; i could pretend that i have a padd. lol

[–] maduncle@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm not masochistic my self lol, I just tired with ordinary distro.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 days ago

that part of my comment was meant to be a self indictment/reflection; i'm a bit of a linux cuck since i've adapted myself to fit ordinary distros' designs instead of creating something that works for me. lol

that's why i marvel at people who do the needful that i should be doing, like here.

[–] spittingimage@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

This is my next project for when I discover a reserve of time and energy I didn't know I had.

[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I'm curious, how well has Musl been for software compatibility? How did you resolve any that came up?

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 1 points 3 hours ago

I use Chimera Linux which is musl based. Compatibility is great. If you have the source, you are probably fine.

It can be a pain for projects that ship binaries as part of the build. Two examples that I have run into:

  • The Ladybird browser uses vpkg and the version their scripts download assumes Glibc. You can build vpkg itself on musl but the whole process is a pain.
  • dotnet requires a binary build of dotnet to bootstrap from. There are musl builds available but they assume GCC and Chimera uses Clang. Not really a musl problem now that I think of it.

Anyway, I use a Distrobox of Arch on Chimera. If I do run into something (like the two above), I just pop into that and problem solved.

Flatpak is essentially the same solution as they run in a container and the freedesktop base is Glibc based.

Not only is musl not generally a problem but, these days, it is trivial to work around it.

[–] maduncle@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

For musl, I've been actively using it for 7 months now and just encounter minor issue. Some packages need to be patched for musl compatibility (I borrow the patches from alpine linux).

[–] GustavoM@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (3 children)

You will go back to your "usual" linux setup when you realize that most packages you set up with LFS are now broken and you'll need to redo the whole process again.

t. arch linux minimal installation only master race

[–] maduncle@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Meh, archlinux is overrated.

[–] dino@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I agree, AUR and pacman (syntax) suck. Apart from that is Arch one of the best.

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 1 points 4 hours ago

You don’t like the AUR? I have moved to Chimera Linux but I still use Distrobox just for the AUR.

[–] msage@programming.dev 1 points 2 days ago

Gentoo is the only way.

[–] kylian0087@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

If you still like some manual dependency control. Slackware is your friend 😁

Slackware taught me appreciation for apt/yum dependency resolution.

It was a great learning experience, but I doubt I'd ever go back

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I'm currently trying seatd+turnstile+greetd on Artix-dinit and Void (Runit), so far everything stable. s6 usersv would be an alternative for turnstile+dinit but i see s6 more on server, personally.

This reminds me, i wanted to try mdev for a long time (there's mdev like a boss).

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 2 points 4 hours ago

You are using Turnstile on Void? Cool.

[–] matcha_addict@lemy.lol 1 points 3 days ago

I tried LFS one time, and accidentally ran one or more of the commands on my host machine, rendering it unusable

[–] jaypatelani@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] maduncle@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Meh, laptop support is still mess.

[–] Abnorc@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago

Yeah on my Dell laptop that I have lying around, the machine I use to demo distros before giving them a real try, the wifi card is just not supported. I tried GhostBSD and openBSD.

[–] dino@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 days ago

Which model?