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Drugmakers Are Set to Pay 23andMe Millions to Access Consumer DNA::GSK will pay the DNA testing company $20 million for non-exclusive access to genetic data.

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[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 196 points 10 months ago (10 children)

The real dystopian horror is when these genetics companies start selling to insurance companies. Think about it:

"I'm sorry we aren't covering this cancer claim with our health insurance product because you are genetically predisposed to it"

We need legislation now to prevent genetic discrimination.

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 66 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 64 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I remember when this legislation was being drafted. I didn't realize it had passed!

IMO its still too narrow. There's nothing in the law I saw that prevents a landlord from using genetic information or car insurance, etc.

[–] Furball@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

What would a landlord do with your genetic information

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 33 points 10 months ago (1 children)

he'd feed it and a number of other factors into an opaque, completely unaccountable AI that makes rental decisions for him without disclosing the factors that went into the decision and with no appeals process.

Imagine if housing operated like reddit bans.

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[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

Off the top of my head

This tenant is predisposed to cancer (or other medical issues), which means an increased likelihood of them getting stuck with massive medical bills and financial hardship so they would have a harder time paying rent on time, better Jack up their rent so I can get my money's worth out of them while I still can or just deny their application altogether

This tenant appears to be part black, Jewish, or some other ethnicity I don't like, better find a reason to jack up their rent or kick them out

[–] kingludd@lemmy.basedcount.com 12 points 10 months ago

More likely is a background/credit check service that runs statistical analysis on genetic factors that correlate with late payments or property damage as part of their renter screening service.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 36 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

"I'm sorry we aren't covering this cancer claim with our health insurance product because you are genetically predisposed to it"

You almost got this right...

It's more like, your mother submitted DNA and she's predisposed, so YOU get denied. And that will go back a few generations.

And when it's something like a 2nd cousin submits DNA and is predisposed, they won't deny you specifically, but they'll raise your rates without letting you know why.

[–] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

For more information please refer to the 1997 documentary 'Gattaca'

[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 10 months ago

Society is really doing its darndest to turn all the dystopian cyberpunk worlds into reality huh

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

We need a lot of things.

Spoiler: We're not getting them because too many politicians are bought and paid for.

[–] UnspecificGravity@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 10 months ago

We do have legislation to protect genetic information, what we need is to prevent the gathering and distribution of this information in the first place because those laws go away the second someone is positioned to make a shit ton of money from it.

[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

in fact regulation IS the way to prevent this kind of discrimination, otherwise these companies can just start demanding genetic tests to rule out predisposition, regardless of the previous existence of a database with this data or their access to it.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Although I wonder if HIPAA would need to get involved in places like the US if that happens. If that data is used to diagnose, then it falls under HIPAA.

If they do that, there will definitely be giant legal battles. I wonder if that is a legal risk they’d want to take on.

[–] Poayjay@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

HIPAA basically only covers healthcare providers and workers. I ran into this when the VA mailed my entire medical history to some random person. Since it wasn’t the healthcare branch of the VA, I had exactly zero recourse.

[–] godzillabacter@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

That's not true. HIPAA covers anyone handling protected health information in a professional manner. If some office clerk at the VA is mailing out copies of HIPAA-protected information, they're bound by HIPAA. If a consulting IT firm has access to a hospital's servers as they're changing something about the EHR, they're bound by HIPAA. Protected information cannot make its way from a "covered entity" to a non-covered entity like a totally unrelated bakery who would not have an obligation to protect your information without either: 1) violating the law, 2) you personally disclosing the information to the non-protected party, or 3) you or someone authorized on your behalf signing a disclosure waiver permitting the covered entity to disclose

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Laws against that have already been passed. No one's allowed to do it.

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[–] BURN@lemmy.world 73 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It’s almost like we all saw this coming when these services started taking off. I’ll never put myself into one, and at least from my best knowledge none of my close family has either

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 10 points 10 months ago

Or maybe we saw it a decade or more ago when Wojcicki literally said this is what she was going to do with everyone's data? This company had and greed and suspicious practices tattooed to it's forehead since inception.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherper/2013/06/13/expect-to-see-23andme-ads-as-the-company-tries-to-take-genetic-tests-mainstream/?sh=63184772673d

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Well if it helps accelerate the development of life saving medications I suppose it's the least offensive use of that data.

Much preferred over say insurance companies using it or hostile governments lmao

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 10 months ago (3 children)

if it helps accelerate the development of life saving medications

LMAO

Goldman Sachs: "Is curing patients a sustainable business model?"

Not if Wall Street has anything to do with it!

[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

We may and should point to all questionably bad practices of these drug companies, but I think humanity is still far better off with their research advancements than without them. So I'm all for using my data for that purpose like 23andMe is doing. Now insurance companies and lobbyists - these can go to hell.

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[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago

That's definitely what this is all about. I know because I heard this in an ad for 23&me

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[–] Drinvictus@discuss.tchncs.de 36 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Who knew giving away YOUR FUCKING DNA to some company was not a good idea

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 21 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Me 10 years ago, apparently.

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[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Weren't they hacked recently? Are the drugmakers sure the data isn't cheaper on the black market?

[–] PeterPoopshit@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

They're why they're only paying "millions". To big pharma, $20m is just pocket change. Now no one will accuse them of downloading it off the dark net.

[–] gnygnygny@lemm.ee 18 points 10 months ago

Are set to ? I thought it was their business model.

[–] query@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

People paid 23andMe to give them the data in the first place. Should be illegal to profit off of other people's data if they're not getting paid for it.

[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

customers are asked if they wish to share their data for research

[–] demonsword@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

customers are asked if they wish to ~~share their data for research~~ allow their data being sold to 3rd parties

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[–] wowwoweowza@lemmy.ml 16 points 10 months ago

Not the onion. Wow.

[–] JewGoblin@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

fucking scary AF

[–] Mettigel@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (9 children)
[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

did you not read the terms and conditions before you agreed to them

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[–] Stonewyvvern@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

In the future, you have to subscribe to use your specific genes. No choice in the matter because you were born with them, but big pharma owns the rights to those same genes.

[–] Sensitivezombie@lemmy.zip 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Customers are only to blame for sharing giving such data to business that only exist to make money. I have never used these services for the same reason and I will never use them. I don't trust what they will do with this data if not now, then down the line.

[–] hiramfromthechi@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

I understand your sentiment, and I do agree that costumers gotta be more aware about what they're getting into.

With that said, consumers can't be blamed for legislative failures. That's what this is, at its core.

When people signed up to Facebook, they just wanted to keep in touch with their friends. When people signed up for Instagram, they just wanted to share pictures. They didn't want to be endlessly exploited.

And let's be real, no one is sifting through these privacy policies and ToS that are designed to be impossible to understand.

Same thing here. People just wanna understand their genealogy. Wanting to know your ancestry, shouldn't come at the expense of incredibly privacy-invading practices.

Why is it that we as consumers need to share to these horrendous business practices if we wanna know our ancestry? Why are there no protections in place? Is it realistic/reasonable to have to read all this incomprehensible language?

[–] Thekingoflorda@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Shocking, company not caring about their customers.

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[–] JoyfulCodingGuy@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago
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