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Neo-Nazis are showing up at protests in an attempt to push anti-Jewish conspiracy theories and tropes into the mainstream.

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[–] honey_im_meat_grinding@lemmy.blahaj.zone 70 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If anyone thinks this is a unique situation - this has happened so many times. The easiest example is the Nazis, or the "national socialists" because socialism was popular back then so they used the term despite starting with killing union workers and leftists.

Vincent Bevins talks in depth about this in his book If We Burn, where he discusses why (certain) protests fail by going through real life examples of movements that were hijacked by right wing extremists. This is not new or novel, this is going by the playbook on how to fight against movements that ask for justice, peace, more democracy, economic equality, and so forth.

[–] Synthuir@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well, the Nazis didn’t just randomly co-opt that term, they were the result of a merger of two different political parties, one far right and the other far right but with some ✨ socialist characteristics ✨ (if you’re ethnically German). On the Night of the Long Knives, all of the socialist-leaning elements of the new NSDAP were murdered in cold blood by the SS.

[–] girlfreddy@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Neo-nazis and far right wingnuts have 2 brain cells, and if any one of those scumbags could see beyond their noses they'd know they're too stupid to have any power.

Proof comes from watching the GOP flush America down the toilet.

[–] Nougat@kbin.social 47 points 1 year ago (1 children)

... too stupid to have any power.

The American Fascist Party controls the House of Representatives. Their criminal Dear Leader is going to get the nomination to be their candidate for President. And if he doesn't win, they will respond with violence.

[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

And if he doesn’t win, they will respond with violence.

I sure hope that violence monopoly that the legal government wields can be used for good also. They were a bit lackluster on Jan 6th but perhaps they learned something there.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

They were a bit lackluster on Jan 6th but perhaps they learned something there.

They weren't "lackluster" on Jan 6th - they simply treated that white supremacist lynch mob the way the US has always treated white supremacist lynch mobs... with kid gloves.

[–] Wakmrow@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Um. They absolutely did but not what you wish they did.

[–] Zippit@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They were too stupid, especially in Europe they would get so much backlash they just went back to their basements.

But over the years, they got smarter, more eloquent in how they discreetly were racist, not only against Jews, but also Muslims, Africans, Southeast Asians, everyone that's different to be honest. The latest study shows 26% of Belgium is racist.

The news also plays into that, by giving up the DESCENT of a perpetrator, instead of his/her Belgian ID. Mostly for crimes not terrorism related. Day in day out, this black man hit his wife, this Turkish guy did that, ...

They never call them Belgians. If the perpetrator is a brown man born and raised here, his parents were born and raised here, but one of his grandfathers was from Morocco, Turkey, etc... They still describe him like 'a 23 year old Belgian man of Moroccon DESCENT....' this fed into it. Every time I saw this happen, I wrote to said paper to stop doing that, unless it involves a terrorist attack against a church, mosque, Jewish temple, café, etc... Even then, if they have a Belgian ID, they should still be described as Belgian guy with ideological differences...

Any news about Muslim girls harassed, assaulted, gangraped by Nazis was en still is getting downplayed and we're made out to be liars. It won't see the press. It still happens to this day.

Also, the latest I've seen is them discussing on certain forums whether it would be better for the 'protection' of Muslims (to start with) if they would put them in concentration camps? This one made me sick and I'm letting all my Belgian friends know that this is going on and fortunately everyone was outraged. But also, they have their heads in their asses, they even don't follow the news, because they can't do anything about it.

But someone has to know and do something. I'm thinking about compiling a list of all the forums i've seen this talked about and send them to every press agency, every community leader, also our new immigrant centers where there are a lot of young people, so they know not to engage and/or associate with these people and be educated against Nazi's.

[–] xkforce@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wonder what rock youve been living under that the far right doesnt hold any power.

[–] girlfreddy@sh.itjust.works -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I didn't say they don't have power. I said they're too stupid to have power.

[–] TallonMetroid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"Deserve" might have been a better word choice, even if it ascribes a moral imperative that doesn't quite work either.

[–] DreamerofDays@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

It’s a thin distinction, and I don’t know that I would use that exact phrasing, but I get it…. And I also get why it didn’t get read the way you intended.

[–] MxM111@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

And the speaker of the House is .. ?

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 4 points 1 year ago

Most of them are too stupid to hold power, but there are enough smart but evil ones that it doesn't matter much.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago

Shocking absolutely nobody

[–] stella@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think it would be a good look to balance pro-Palestine demonstrations with anti-Nazi symbolism.

Would be funny to watch 'journalists' report on the Nazis in a protest when there are more people with anti-Nazi gear.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Couldn't they just report that Nazis and anti-Nazis are pro-Palestine?

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Couldn’t they just report that Nazis and anti-Nazis are pro-Palestine?

Didn't you read this part?

“Nine out of ten of them would probably happily commit a hate crime against anyone [at the pro-Palestine protest].”

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

I'm not sure what that changes

[–] stella@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That'd be a pretty weird report, but sure.

They can report anything.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

I'm not sure what would be weird about it if it was what literally happening. How would you report it?

[–] clearleaf@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

All they need is one guy with a nazi flag and they can say everyone there is complicit. And they can bring their own nazi to model for them.

[–] stella@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I mean, they don't even need that.

They can say whatever they want, lol.

[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is kind of funny to see the nazis who hate muslims more than jews and those who hate jews more than muslims go against each other

[–] S_204@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

As a Jew.....none of this is funny.

There was a hate crime down the street from me, a young girl was followed home from a peace rally and her house was shot up.

This shit needs to stop. Islamophobia and Anti Semitism should not and cannot be tolerated as an outgrowth of this war.

[–] TheJims@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Trumps “very fine people”

[–] skhayfa@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Too many brown, jews and leftist people in Palestinian protests. They won't like it there.

[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

The thing about Nazis (and other flavors of racist shitbags if anyone wants to play the "well akshually they're not Nazis, theyre..." game) is they don't care, they'll pretend to be reasonable, break bread with their enemies, etc. as long as it's convenient for them. But they don't view those others as being equal human beings, so once they've accomplished whatever they set out to do, they'll turn on them as soon as they think they have the upper hand without a moment's hesitation.

That's the Nazi playbook and always has been. You can see it happen in WWII, you can see it in the lunatic fringe taking over the Republican party over the last century or so, it's how these types operate.

They'll happily throw their lot in with whoever is convenient to their cause in the moment, why should they care? They're just planning on turning on them down the road anyway, hell, it probably even gets them a better look at how these temporary allies/future targets for extermination operate and gets them in closer for when they eventually make their move against them.

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