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[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

Evangelicals Are Now Rejecting 'Liberal' Teachings of Jesus

"Multiple pastors tell me, essentially, the same story about quoting the Sermon on the Mount, parenthetically, in their preaching'turn the other cheek'[and] to have someone come up after to say, 'Where did you get those liberal talking points?'" Moore said.

"When the pastor would say, 'I'm literally quoting Jesus Christ' ... The response would be, 'Yes, but that doesn't work anymore. That's weak," he added. "When we get to the point where the teachings of Jesus himself are seen as subversive to us, then we're in a crisis."

[–] aviationeast@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And people dont understand why I say the orange clown is an Antichrist and may be the Antichrist.

The doomed by a perfect circle is very disturbing accurate.

[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Ehh, isn't the antichrist supposed to be a nearly impossibly attractive person, in charisma and looks? A lot of people either hate him or are entirely indifferent and the reasons don't seem to be religiously motivated.

I just settle with him being a douchebag.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

isn’t the antichrist supposed to be a nearly impossibly attractive person

Premillennial dispensationalism/rapture theology is a group creative writing exercise with little relevance to the text. The prophecies in Daniel refer to the Greek king Antiochus, which is clear when one reads chapters and not verses (unfortunately uncommon in your typical Protestant church…) Revelation is referring to emperor Nero.

Really, it’s more that folks like Hal Lindsey popularized the concept by traumatizing children in church basements that’s given it the culture cachet.

[–] philycheeze@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 months ago

Don’t forgot about how all his weird followers depict him in their fan art though…. They seem to at least perceive him as exactly that.

[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Prosperity gospel has been shitting on the red text of Christ for decades now.

Jesus hated wealth inequality. The only group he said would never enter heaven were the wealthy ("easier to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven", in other words, it isn't possible for the rich to enter heaven). Jesus also violently flipped tables and whipped the wealthy to drive them out of temples.

So conservative "Christians" abandoned the teachings of Christ many decades ago.

[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Not just the wealthy, but people who were using the temple as a place of business (and likely ripping people off on interest)

[–] spittingimage@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Yeah, it was the moneychangers and the stall keepers that tolerated them.

It was a religious duty to contribute money for the upkeep of the temple. So people would come from out of town and try to hand over their cash and the priests would say "we can't accept foreign coinage... go talk to that dude over there with the heavy pockets, he'll help you". And the moneychanger would convert their currency, but not without keeping a fat percentage for himself.

The lesson (as I read it) is that setting yourself up as a gatekeeper and forcing people to pay you in order to do the right thing is an especially odious behaviour, even if it's legal.

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The actual story of the money changers is worse than most people know.

See, as part of their religious observance, the ancient Hebrews made a pilgrimage to the Temple. This was a mandatory part of their faith, much like the Hajj is for modern Muslims.

Those who were too poor to bring their own sacrifice could buy one at the Temple, but the Temple didn't take the coin of the realm (the Roman coins), they only accepted Shekels.

So, the Money Changers. They set up in the Temple itself and were fleecing pilgrims of all their money.

In comes Jesus, who flipped tables and broke out the whip, and less than a week later he was crucified.

And this is the only part of the bible that I believe is 100% historically accurate. A peace loving Rabbi threw a fit over the Money Changers and was crucified for it.

[–] TheDoozer@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

I had understood it to be even worse:

The sacrifices at the temple were expected to be pretty much perfect, and had to be found acceptable by the temple priests. So the merchants would get "pre-blessed" sacrifices that they would sell at exorbitant prices to the pilgrims, who would have the sacrifices they brought deemed "inadequate" by the priests.

So if you brought an animal sacrifice, you'd still have to buy another (costly) animal. If you brought money, you'd be forced to exchange it at a significant loss.

The whole thing was an obvious scam, and Jesus was killed over it (and the rest of his message). I don't believe he was God Incarnate, but I'm still a big fan of Jesus the man.

I'm pretty confident that all would have gone about the same way in this era.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 1 points 5 months ago

I guess we're going to get more denominational splits based on if Jesus' teachings about loving others is Biblically accurate. Yet another reason why he isn't coming back.

The real reason.

[–] Trees@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

With flattery he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant, but the people who know their God will firmly resist him.

Daniel 11:32

He will cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior… He will use every kind of evil deception to fool those on their way to destruction, because they refuse to love and accept the truth that would save them.

Daniel 8:25, 2 Thess 2:10

… a despicable person will arise… a man of contempt… to whom the royal honor has not been rightfully conferred. He will slip in when least expected and will seize the kingdom through flattery and intrigue.

Daniel 11:21

After an alliance is made with him he will practice deception, and he will go up and gain power with a small force of people.

Daniel 11:23

He will try to change the set times and the laws.

Dan. 7:25

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Daniel 8 and 11 here are talking about a prophecy that has already “been fulfilled” - common in the Bible to make these kinds of retroactive prophecies. The bad guy being described there is Antiochus.

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[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 5 months ago

"Thou shalt not even try to be a decent person"

the 11th commandment I guess

[–] crmsnbleyd@sopuli.xyz 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Apparently started from a hate ministry in 2021... Dude named James White on Twitter.

"When you start with man as image-bearing creature of God, you can understand why sympathy is good, but empathy is sinful.

Do not surrender our mind to the sinful emotional responses of others."

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Proverbs 14:31 Whoever oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God.

Deuteronomy 15:7 If anyone is poor among your fellow Israelites in any of the towns of the land the Lord your God is giving you, do not be hardhearted or tightfisted toward them.

Luke 14:13-14 But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed. Although they cannot repay you, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous.

Luke 12:15: Then he said, “Beware! Guard against every kind of greed. Life is not measured by how much you own.”

1 John 4:20 If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen.

1 John 3:17 But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him?

John 13:34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Matthew 25 (separation of the sheep and the goats) is pretty much the only time Jesus straight-up threatens people with Hell, and he's basing it on the treatment of the poor, sick, and social outcasts.

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Empathy is the enemy of the the manipulative. Their shallow and transparent manipulations wont get past someone with even a small amount of it.

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Hearing voices from people that aren't real is a pretty serious mental condition. I'm convinced religion and all the evil committed on its behalf all just trace back to the root of shit mental healthcare.

[–] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 months ago

So no empathy for Elon Musk and his crybaby butthurt feelings? Fine by me!

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

My sister once told my mom that empathy is what's ruining this country. It's not even like it was a misinterpretation/misunderstanding, that's almost word for word how she said it. I can't fathom how someone comes to that line of thinking.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

To me it feels like social darwinism mentality - the belief that helping the weak survive weakens the herd. AKA "hard choices".

[–] satans_methpipe@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

Pizzacake comics might be a torture psyop.

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

He wasn't a pastor, he was a deacon and probably just a twitter troll but no one here cares about accuracy it seems

[–] Glaedr304@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Pastors and deacons are both member of the church, and arnt that far apart in rank

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Sorry no, you are wrong. But that's understandable considering how actively ignorant atheists are about what actually happens in churches

My only question is why so fuckdamn many of you are ALSO so arrogant about it

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Sorry no, you are wrong

Oh no, they mixed up pastor and priest, what a sin! Two words that are super alike and mean basically the same thing, damn them!

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Deacons aren't pastors or priests, they are glorified ushers

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 5 months ago

They're still one level down the hierarchy, which was their point

Or are you being an idiot on purpose?

[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Point or no point, it’s hard not to cringe when I see PizzaCake comics.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] warbond@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Thanks for that. Having read it, though, I think it's likely that I'll forget about the details soon enough to continue nothing-ing her comics. The whole argument feels silly from the periphery.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml -1 points 5 months ago

"apparently a right-wing [person] said this" is low-quality content, gets my downvote. Such an unspecific comment serves only to outgroup people.

[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 5 months ago

Demon pizzacake can get it

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