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So I only just got into linux this year. I gave some X11 distro's a go, but the screen tearing was awwwwfulll. So I've been running Wayalnd/Plasma for months now.
What exactly am I missing out on? Seems lots of users here still favor X11 over wayland but as I've never had any problems. It's still unclear to me why people are still sticking with X11.
I also switched to use different Wayland compositors many years ago for my main systems, but there are also still reasons to use X11. These are mine:
- X11 forwarding, with that you can connect to another system via SSH (e.g. via
ssh -Y) and just start a GUI app, and the window appears on your screen. - Sharing individual windows via WebRTC, with Wayland compositors you can normally only share full screens. Xserver allows applications to directly capture the window content of others.
- Easily mirroring screens for presentations, with some Wayland compositors you have to capture one screen and then play it back on another screen, with X11 that is integrated into the xserver.
- Automation and keyboard macros, with X11 it is much easier to automate keyboard macros and customize keyboard mapping than on Wayland. See Xmodmap, etc. Same for mouse input. That is also a reason why implementing remote control software is more difficult with Wayland, see for instance RustDesk support for Wayland (works now, but still a bit experimental).
There might be some Wayland compositors that worked around that, but on X11 this was standard. But generally X11 provides these features for all WMs, and in Wayland they have to be implemented individually.
And some just are not supposed to work, for security reasons.
But all of this depends on your use-case. I sometimes even (can or have to) go without a Wayland compositor or X11 and render GUI directly via KMS/DRM.
Xorg literally has a option to disable tearing: Option "TearFree" "true. If that doesn't work and your compositor neither, fix your video drivers. Lookup Hardware Video Acceleration and similiar on Arch wiki.
That doesn't answer that question though
Why not just use Wayland?
Because the DE / tool i'm used to isn't wayland ready yet.
Wayland is the new protocol and will be the one that everything uses in the long run
If Wayland works for you, then that's great, don't use X11
The main reason you'd want to use X11 these days is for compatibility. But that's getting less and less of a concern as time goes on
They use it cause their desktop does not support wayland yet or their Nvidia card causes issue with it, potentially since they are using an older driver.
If you have no issues with Wayland, keep using it. You aren't missing anything.
Linux is a vast space, and some people have use cases that aren't covered by Wayland, yet.
So they still use X.
I like XFCE4 but there is no compositor for it yet.
It is in the works though. I'll have to try it out when it lands
Nothing, unless you really want to use a DE that's still lacking behind in its adoption. There are a few tools that still only offer early support for it (like RustDesk), but otherwise Wayland is a way better choice these days. However if you got an Nvidia GPU and need to use the proprietary driver you might be forced to still use X11. Their pile of garbage still routinely bugs on Wayland, and given their work on NVK I doubt that thing will ever get fully fixed.
This comic was posted in 2011 but still holds up today perfectly lol.
Gather around kids, story time. It was 2002 and I had a desktop pc with two video cards, one Matrox with dual video output (they were pretty much the only consumer ones with that at the time) on AGP slot, and one "something" (probably ATI, it still had and RCA port) on PCI. So I installed gentoo (from stage1, as it was custom at the time) and fiddled around with xorg.conf to have two monitors output from the Matrox and a third (yes, I had 3 monitors) from the ATI.
That's when I understood the power of Linux (no way win2000 was able to do that).
"Story time" is just another word for "I'm showing my age"
It is a good way to know who's a Grey Beard
Even worse, its ChromeOS (ewwww)
X11 was worse
They still use X. You must never go there.
As an X user I support this message.
I'm pretty sure it is because nobody knows. Xorg is a massive project that has tons and tons of duck tape.
I get the joke, but I'm getting tired of these very, very old memes being reposted ad-nauseam when they're so outdated. I did not have to open the xorg.conf file for at least a decade, probably more. It was a very annoying thing to do, yes, but hasn't been an issue for a lot of install in forever.
There's a resurgence of these "but it's very weird/difficult/annoying" outdated memes these last few weeks on a lot of websites, and at this point I'm wondering if it's just people discovering them or just some people bashing linux systems based on their experience from the last century.
I did xorg.conf from the example on Arch wiki and it worked. Then i did it the correct way from the official documentation and it didn't.
I did not touch an xorg.conf file in forever and it just works out of the box, whether I'm running debian, kubuntu, or mint, so Β―\_(γ)_/Β―
My screen has graphical glitches on default 59.99 Htz, not on other frequencies. Β―\_(γ)_/Β―
It's people entering the Linux space and wanting to join the tribe by posting Linux memes they found on google.
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Y'all have Desktop Environments?
I remember when loading a GUI in *NIX systems was frown upon and would get you judged by your peersβ¦
Y'all are still using xorg?
I am definitely going to need my morning coffee. I see the word "Y'all" and I'm somehow thinking "shouldn't it be Xall if we're taking about X11? Wait what's wrong with my brain"
X trama
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