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Everything that would normally get you a small infraction or fine, will now make you an illegal immigrant ready to be thrown into the concentration camps.
Only the elite are allowed to live, the rest should remain silent, obedient and weak.
There will be no more partying. No more unsanctioned laughter and joy.
What “illegal immigrants” in their right mind would be out partying at an after hours night club with everything going on? I wouldn’t be surprised if there were a few, but 100? This reeks of steamed hams. 100 migrants localized entirely in this illegal nightclub, in this political climate? I would like to see the evidence
They probably weren't out partying carrying their birth certificate on them. At this stage you're probably considered illegal if you can't prove your citizenship right then and there.
Even if you have evidence, ICE will just say, “take them anyway! They don’t look white.”
Evidence is no longer a thing, due process being over and all that.
"Steamed Hamming" is my new phrase of the year.
Well I'm from Aspen, and we don't call them illegal After hours nightclubs...
If it's illegal and all that, yes, they should be held to standard.
But given the fact that this administration likes to slap the word "illegal" on anything they don't like, was it really? Or is it a boy crying wolf again?
Did you buy a Tesla? No? Congrats, you are part of the illegal boycott now. President said so.
I didn't buy a Tesla, no. Yet it is not illegal for me because he's not my president and he has no legal power over me, even if I'm also indirectly affected by his policies. American defaultism is pretty cringe, imho.
Did you buy one? Because if so you unironically contributed to the mess which allowed the richest man to buy his way into presidency.
See? I can also reply nonsense and immature "gotcha" stuff that has nothing to do with what I originally said as well. 🥸
If it's illegal and all that, yes, they should be held to standard.
The past few years have eroded the meaning of illegal, and even standards. They have even chose to ignore due process.
Nobody should be deported their "legality" shouldn't matter. Nobody is illegal.
Who said they should be deported? And if they are indeed commiting an illegal act under the written law, why shouldn't they be subject to any consequences for breaking said law?
I don't agree with authoritarianism, but I won't defend lawlessness either. These extreme and radical stances from either party are why the US is where it currently is.
I cast my doubt over the the very foundation of the act of imprisoning these people, not if they're innocent or not. Because without due process everyone is guilty until proven otherwise - and even then not really. I think you missed my entire point.
Just out of curiosity, what are some of the “left” stances you feel are extreme or radical?
I wouldn't call them "left stances" per say, as it's something the right also tends to do. Especially when comparing it to the current administration, which despite expecting it to be bad, I certainly didn't expect it to be this unprecedentally bad.
What I mean, mostly, is that if "you" want people to stand by you showing why the other side sucks isn't nearly enough. The people already know the other side sucks - they want something better, not more of the same but with a different coat of paint. Unless you can convince the people you are better than the other options, badmouthing the opposition won't do much to people who've seen this play out a thousand times before.
Why was Trump elected (and note, I'm not entirely convince he actually was, but that's another whole discussion)? Biden wasn't doing anything nearly as outlandish as this administration is doing, but they were still concealing Biden's mental state when it was obvious to most. Harris made sure to make her campaign pure spectacle and fanfare through celebrities and huge amounts of spending, focusing way more on appearance than on substance, while the people craved better living conditions overall. And regardless of the obvious answer, what did Trump run his campaign on? Precisely what the people were desperate to hear, even if they knew coming from him it might be bs (which everyone sees it actually was all along).
This is not just a political issue, but a cultural one as well. People don't vote for policies, they vote for colors, for their preferred celebrities, and for whoever can throw the flashiest party - and on that regard allow me a bit of hippocrisy, as in my country it's not that different, even if we do have more parties to choose from (I.e., what I'm saying isn't valid just for the US, but for many more so-called democratic nations, which irks me to the bone). In practical terms there isn't even any other option available because people won't even consider them. And on that department as long as mentalities don't change, neither will the system. And after years of this tug war by both sides pulling to themselves while badmouthing the other, one of them decided it was time to solve this impasse once and for all, by any means necessary.
The current administration, even if Trump kicks the bucket midway, is clearly not planning to leave unless forced through sweat and blood. Otherwise they wouldn't go to so much trouble and not care about their unpopularity when someone else can just come later and undo everything they did. Of course the problem runs deeper than this already long text, but if discussed at lenght this would make a book.
yes no prisons or police should exist. "lawlessness" is a good thing.
We know it’s a bad situation when the basic elements of the constitution are considered “extreme and radical”
No person shall ... be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.
I think you should re-read. I didn't say due process was "extreme and radical". You're reading what you want to read and trying to polarize and derail this discussion, like the other commenter.
Just to state this will be my last reply to this sort of reply, since there's no discussion to be had with people who had their minds set on blind hate before even entering, which, ironically, is a rather radical stance to have by itself. I know you won't believe it and try to distort it to suit your internal frutration, but I'm on your side. Cheers.
Did you mean something else by “this type of lawlessness”? I went back and reread several times and I cannot see another interpretation.
“Immigrating illegally -> deport without due process” is the extremist angle. That’s lawlessness that no one should in good conscience support.
I don’t see anyone saying that breaking the law should go unpunished, just that deportation is not an appropriate penalty especially when there are existing more appropriate penalties. That does not seem extreme to me.
Let me be clear, I didn't say "this type of lawlessness" anywhere. You're likely refering to:
I don’t agree with authoritarianism, but I won’t defend lawlessness either.
Which is not at all the same statement, and that misquote implies a very different meaning to what I actually said.
What I implied is that IF it's found that the people in that nightclub were indeed something illegal (and I don't mean according to Trump, but according to the pre-established constitution), then they should face the consequences stated in the constitution for breaking the law just like anybody else - another thing I never mentioned is "deportation", or even that they were immigrants, for that matter. It had nothing to do with the people involved and instead intended as a subtle criticism about how "at this moment we can't be sure of what's legal and what's not" because there's blatant abuse of the justice system, as my further statements in the original post reinforced.
Misquoting me by saying "This type of lawlessness" implies that I already decided they are indeed illegal immigrants, that they do not deserve due process, and that the automatic punishment for that is deportation. Which is the polar opposite of what I believe in and said.
Furthermore, interpreting any neutral statement (which mine wasn't, as I'm against these discriminatory policies, but people will read it as they want to anyway) as being pro-Trump, not caring for context or semantic nuance, is pretty extreme.
Colorado was one of the states that has been very actively fighting Trump's goons. It'll be interesting to see how this turns out.
Pullen estimated more than 200 people were inside the nightclub. Also among those detained were a dozen active-duty military members who either were patrons or working as armed security. Some patrons were arrested on undisclosed outstanding warrants, Pullen said.
That's just an average night club. You got college kids, people doing cocaine, tech bros, tourists.
bullshit