I have never met a leftist I didn't like
but I only consider somebody a leftist if they respect human rights.
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I have never met a leftist I didn't like
but I only consider somebody a leftist if they respect human rights.
I'm always under the assumption that everyone can be an asshole. I had a very good friend qnd we're both vegans. To me it's just a dietary choice that i made, for her it was almost like a religion. Like when she met someone who was also a vegan or saw someone on tv that was a vegan, she always assumed that it's a good person, or just rooted for that person, no questions asked.
See Ken Loach’s Land & Freedom on how factionalism and in-fighting within the Republican forces in the Spanish Civil war allowed the fascist Junta to win.
Are we talking about actual leftist infighting, or mistaking liberals for the left and calling it infighting?
Also I'm almost certain that the actual left infights far less than the right. The only reason two Trump administrations hasn't started the literal fourth reich yet is because they infight so hard that they can't stick to any plan.
centrists say everything is all progressives fault. But also that progressives will never be allowed to have any place of authority in the party. They'd sooner court republicans. So they will lose the youth vote for good and go extinct, assuming the country survives their idiocy at all.
Centrists will blend quietly into the right the way that Homer backs his way into a hedge.
Liberals, as in advocates for liberalism and not a liberal party (which doesn't even exist in the USA), are the entire left of the USA.
So it's accurate but they're both wrong because
He is the left.
He shouldn't even be trying to converse with literal USSR advocates and literal anarchists as if they were part of his base.
Nobody is left enough for anyone else on the left. You agree with me on an issue but differ on execution? You may as well be Trump!
this whole platform be like:
I was recently banned for being "transphobic" for telling people what far right people believe about trans people, in the third person because I'm not far right nor have I ever been.
I've been pro-trans rights (AKA human rights) since I knew what the word "transgender" meant, which is going on twenty years or so now?
I'm banned from like 6 blahaj zone communities for one comment I made where me and two other users discussed the overlap of trans and gay.
Lemmy has a REALLY bad problem with people who dont actually read comments and process them. They skim read the post, see a few keywords and then argue the point that they want to argue regardless of what the original comment was.
But... That's like 80% of the internet.
tale as old as time
I didn't see this film until the 2010s, and I couldn't believe how accurately it lampooned my local scene.
err, what movie is it? Yes, I live in a cave.
Monty Python - Life of Brian
Political LeftRightism (n.)
Definition:
Political LeftRightism is a spatially encoded meta-framework of political orientation that frames ideological discourse along a singular, bipolar axis, left versus right,thereby reducing the full multidimensional landscape of political thought into a linear spectrum. As a memetic penetrator and perceptual instrument, LeftRightism functions not as a neutral map but as a meta-weapon of the ruling class: a cognitive architecture designed to channel dissent, structure debate, and neutralize system-level critique by confining political possibility to a predefined, adversarial dialectic within the system's own terms.
Operational Mechanisms:
Perceptual Confinement: Constructs a false totality of ideological space by placing all positions, grievances, and aspirations on a left-to-right continuum. This flattens pluralistic thought into a binary schema and frames radical alternatives as fringe “extremes.”
Cognitive False Equivalence: Establishes symmetry between left and right regardless of historical asymmetry in power, violence, or systemic entrenchment. This symmetry encourages the illusion of balance where structural inequality remains.
Controlled Opposition: Absorbs political resistance into legible categories that the system has already immunized against. By permitting debate only between "acceptable" sides of the spectrum, it constrains opposition into predictable, ineffectual loops.
Ideological Compartmentalization: Prevents synthesis of cross-axis or off-spectrum worldviews (e.g., spiritual leftism, post-capitalist traditionalism, decentralized communitarianism) by declaring them incoherent or invisible.
Map-as-Reality Substitution: Through repetition and institutional embedding, LeftRightism replaces the messy, evolving reality of political life with a static cartographic abstraction, inducing conceptual dependency on the spectrum itself.
As Meta-Weapon: Political LeftRightism operates as an epistemic instrument of enclosure, a framework-level tool of hegemony rather than a position within debate. It disguises its own structural function beneath the appearance of neutrality and exhaustiveness. By scripting political meaning into a legible diagram, it enables elites to:
Predict, manage, and diffuse unrest;
Legitimize centrism as “reasonable” and extremes as dangerous;
Fragment class solidarity into partisan identities;
Avoid exposure of vertical dynamics (top vs. bottom, ruler vs. ruled) by focusing attention horizontally.
Distinction: Unlike left- or right-wing ideologies, which offer substantive (if partial) theories of value or structure, LeftRightism is not an ideology per se but a cartographic control mechanism—an ideological exoskeleton that shapes and constrains all ideologies that operate within it. Its power lies not in its content, but in its pre-conscious adoption as the default schema of political orientation.
If partisan identities are different enough that they don't ally then that means their differences are too great.
Simpsons did it!
Futurama is just a slightly different Simpsons!
We are enemies now
I was going to comment that OPs meme sums up db0 really well, but this one does that even better.
There are inherently more ways to imagine changes than to point at the status quo.
Is this Anime Futurama?
(Seriously, wtf is this shit?)
Edit: Lol okay, they did a weird episode.
Futurama is gonna look so funny if they actually committed to doing Japanese-Style Animation for future episodes 🤣, like it'd be comedy gold.
Anybody else remember Kappa Mikey?
This meme reminded me of all the different flavours of Christianity.
If there's an actual debate you've got to define terms. People's definitions of 'leftist' can be pretty wild, especially if the debate is between an American and... mostly anyone outside America.
I have seen people waxing poetic about Imperial Japan and the Jakarta Method who consider themselves leftist, while at the same time associate outright NazBols with the left.
So 'what do you actually mean by tankie/liberal?' will usually cut through a lot of debate perv noise.
I have seen people waxing poetic about Imperial Japan
What? Who? Where? That's an absolutely wild take.
And people love the no true Scotsman fallacy and constantly throw out that the person isn’t really this or that
One thing the right is good at doing is falling in line, no matter that the agenda being pushed.
Heh, don't let that fool you, they still infight like crazy despite that. Examples include the hilarious collapse of the NJP, the assassination of Rockwell (leader of the American Nazi Party) and labeling every existing neo-Nazi group "feds" because they're inevitably embarrassing and scandal-filled.
Honestly I'm fairly certain they infight even harder than the left does. They just wouldn't self-critically admit to it like we would. Cause they don't self-crit.
The right has their fair share of infighting. They may all want heirarchy, but they disagree on who should be on top. They can all agree on scapegoating an outgroup, but disagree on which people fall into that outgroup. Like, the ultimate endgame of fascism is for the last fascist to kill the second to last fascist for not being white enough.
They appear to be united because most of us don't go into their spaces and lurk, because, I mean, ew. If a Trump supporter came to Lemmy, they'd find people quite united against them, and if one of us went on Truth Social, we'd find them quite united against us, but that doesn't mean they actually get along internally.