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How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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Won't be long now.

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[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Only way anything happens is if we take down the ruling class. What's funny is humans used to do it all the time but we have become easily distracted and lazy so we just let it happen.

[–] veganpizza69@lemmy.vg 1 points 7 hours ago

we have become easily distracted

De facto bourgeois, not distracted. Ignorance used as a privilege ("bliss"). It's someone else's problem.

[–] dinren@discuss.online 13 points 1 day ago

All the time? It went hundreds of years between takedowns. I’d say we are ripe for one though.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Seems like we wont. We'll just die.

[–] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think you overestimate where we are in this schedule. We aren't at societal collapse. We aren't even at minor unrest. The TV shows are still being pumped out. Kids are still going in to school. You aren't being food rationed. There aren't rolling blackouts. The government is currently VERY transparent.

We arent ready to change yet. But we will. We always do.

[–] Aksamit@slrpnk.net 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Depends where in the world you live, for example South Africa has been having rolling blackouts for a while now and Mexico is in severe drought. Plenty of other places are affected too, this is just an example off the top of my head.

[–] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 3 points 7 hours ago

You're right I was using my North American lense when I wrote that comment.

[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 77 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

But doing anything about it now might hurt shareholder profits in the next few quarters, so let's just wait until things get even worse – then we can start murdering scapegoats and pray for our neofeudalist techbro overlords to save us

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 70 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As usual, we'll gauge the collapse by what the stock market is doing and ignore the millions of dead along the way.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

As the human population takes a steep decline, the market will also shrink. When people starve to death, they can’t work in your factories or buy your products. That can’t be good for quarterly revenue.

Won’t somebody please think of the profits!

[–] Tiresia@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 day ago

Labor-based production is such 20th century thinking. Modern companies don't try to make products, they try to acquire capital. Intellectual property, industrial capacity, housing, utilities access, etc. Cornering a market is so much more profitable than trying to compete in it.

Why do you think there's so much money going into AI? They can't wait to rid themselves of their human workforce so that humans starving to death won't affect their production targets.

If capitalists get their way, capitalism will outlive humanity. Inefficient humans and their annoying ecosystem dependency will be left to boil to death or something while Von Neumann probes owned by AI-managed corporations spread across the universe. Just imagine, one share in SpaceX would be worth several galaxies. You won't find a better ROI anywhere in the universe!

[–] Xaphanos@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

And mostly urban.

[–] Gronk@aussie.zone 35 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Friendly reminder that the IPCC models have consistently been conservative in their approach, mainly because the reports are influenced by policymakers and a biased committee before they reach daylight.

You can look this up yourself, there is plenty of criticism from the scientific community.

IIRC the AR6 said it had high confidence that we would not reach 1.5c before 2030 and medium confidence we would reach it around 2035.

Because of this I want to say that the 1.5c limit is an arbitrary bullshit number for policymakers to appear as though they're aiming for a goal.

There is no safe level of warming, and a large amount of these feedback loops have and may happen because of factors other than ONE fucking number. (E.g Human influence on the Amazon)

[–] Aksamit@slrpnk.net 4 points 8 hours ago

We're looking at possibly hitting 2c warming by 2029 now.

Business as usual, Venus by Tueday. What a time to be alive, lmao.

[–] salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Aksamit@slrpnk.net 19 points 1 day ago

Yeah, shit's getting bad. We're going to be out of fresh water and arable land soon too.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The political aptitude for change is very, very strange here in Australia.

I could talk a lot about this but the abridged version is that our farmers are experiencing severe drought or severe flooding, and the political party that claims to represent regional Australians (farmers) want's to discard our emissions targets all together.

As in, we've tried nothing and it's not working so best we just double down on doing nothing. Thankfully these particular idiots are not likely to form government any time soon but they still represent a significant portion of the nation.

Meanwhile, renewables everywhere are surging ahead, everyone is installing roof-top solar, turbines being erected on farms, we're building huge hydrogen production facilities, and it's largely just ignored or worse - people complaining about how it's unsightly or noisy or the grid doesn't like it or whatever.

[–] Australis13@fedia.io 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, I really struggle to understand it. No-one in the energy industry supports nuclear as far as I can tell and yet people can't see that the Nationals are pushing it as a way to avoid actually doing anything about climate. It's like the Nationals want to make themselves irrelevant by intentionally (through stupidity, willful ignorance or sheer disingenuousness) harming their constituents.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago

Honestly I think it's simply that "nuclear" is a one-word solution to a complex problem that doesn't require anyone to interrupt their view of the rolling landscape with a noisy turbine. If you start there then you can build up a narrative around how nuclear is the only sensible solution but it's still just vibe-based reasoning.

[–] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

Dawg why these bigass companies not put solar panels over their parking lots? Free energy and free shade. Cool those hot zones down

[–] Dogyote@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Won't be long now.

It'll take longer than you like.

[–] als@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] Aksamit@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Stop? Baby, it's just getting rolling.

[–] calidris@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, how will we profit from those sweet year round arctic sea lanes otherwise?

[–] Prime_Minister_Keyes@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

Gotta have my cheap trinkets overnight! Won't have it any other way!

[–] hash@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 day ago

Any day now...

[–] HowAbt2day@futurology.today 1 points 1 day ago

MAGA - TACO: “no they’re not!”

[–] Buske@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago

This is the last year.