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Swear the constant HD6XX hype is annoying, Same with the BA hate as well.

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[–] mqtpqt@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (5 children)

if the hype stays for a long time its not hype anymore lol

[–] Telthrynn@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

especially if the hype is based on a a headphone line that has been hype for decades

[–] c0ng0pr0@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

You’re describing a religion

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[–] Eevea_@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Everyone getting excited over yet another Harmon target IEM.

All the weird jokes about over spending and hiding it from their wives.

[–] ashyjay@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yep, I can't stand Harman target gear, it's all too bassy, for once I'd like something with a bit of sparkle .

[–] TURBO_SCROTUM@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Bassy and sparkle don't have to be mutually exclusive IMO. But it takes a special IEM to do both well.

[–] ashyjay@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

They don't but I don't want bassy, I want them to sparkle as much as jazz hands do.

[–] Efficient_Truth_9461@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

SONY IER M9

[–] DivineCurrent@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

My wife already knows I spend too much on headphones lol. But she admits she spends too much on makeup and other beauty products, so we get along.

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[–] Haddedam@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Of course people will hype the hd6-- since they haven't heard other phones around the same and cheaper bracket and realized they're just pretty good but okay value.

[–] Successful-Willow-72@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (3 children)

getting hype from an iem, especially cheap chi fi, blindly rec it without listening or it isnt released yet.

[–] Coel_Hen@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

"Just buy the Wang Chung 2 Night; it's basically end game and it's only $15!"

[–] AizeeMasata@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

uhuk2...Truthear Nova

[–] cp-photo@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Exactly. I was asking one time for recommendations for a pair of neutral IEMs with a budget of $250-500 that is not Etymotic (have the ER2XR, love the sound and price-performance ratio but not the fit) and I got recommended a yet-to-be-released sub-$100 ChiFi IEM.

I got the MDR-EX800ST and I’m not disappointed at all - hoping to upgrade to the IER-M7 or M9 in the future!

[–] Successful-Willow-72@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

if you like sony soundsig i rec you try the xba A3, m7,m9 may be boring after awhile for you but thats me, best is that you can demo yourself, those are all good iem.

[–] Juan-punch_man@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Honestly this community is fine compared to many other subreddits.

[–] indi_guy@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

All those who use hd6-- with cheap or meh amps and then say they are unimpressed. There are hoards of audiophiles who after spending thousands come back to the senny and otl combo as their go to and retire happily.

[–] blah618@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

people who’ve never been to shops and expos having strong opinions

[–] Zernium@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Strong opinions about stuff in general.

[–] Free-Ad5956@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I have reached my end game.

[–] Successful-Willow-72@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

endgame.final.allend.finish.finish2.everythingover.finalstop.exe

[–] Wet_Socks19@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago
[–] gate1992@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I hate that people find stuff in goodwills or garage sales . Here in neterlands that never happens . Best thing i found at goodwill was a 180 euro philips MFB speakers .

[–] Hebolo@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I agree. I like 6XX, but to me it needs EQ. It sounds too dead stock because of the dampening. Also not the best imaging/soundstage. HE560 V4 does that much better.

Multi-BA setups are nice, but I think the ER4 critcism is kind of justified tbh. I think they are super interesting and worth having. But they are not pleasant.

[–] sebastianbaraj5@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Been an owner for 3 years now and would have to agree. And then the 6XX on Tubes (specifically OTL) is definitely endgame in my experience.

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[–] zandekan@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (6 children)

I honestly don’t get the using IEMs with amps. If anyone has an explanation feel free to inform me.

[–] coreyfromlowes69@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Especially running them balanced. 3.5mm has been plenty for me so far. On my BTR3k or Qudelix, I only use the balanced for harder to drive stuff like my HD6XX or HE4XX.

[–] cp-photo@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I noticed a difference going from an Apple dongle & 2021 MBP headphone jack (which is pretty awesome for a built-in jack) to a FiiO BTR5 on my EX800ST. Punchier and cleaner bass, more texture in the mids.

9 years ago, I had the Sennheiser IE80 and Aurisonics ASG-1, an iPhone 4, and the FiiO E7. Not much difference with the iPhone out and the FiiO, but I tried an ALO Audio The National portable amp - a lot cleaner output, mids got pushed forward, soundstage grew bigger - basically everything sounded bigger and more detailed. It wasn’t $300 worth of a difference, but my broke college ass would have gladly spent $150 for that difference.

[–] ExiledSanity@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Volume knobs are nice.

But really IEM cables are just a bit too short to comfortably use with desktop amps.

Occasionally if I'm already listening on my desktop stuff and want to switch to IEMs, I might plug them into my K7 which sits close enough on my desk. But I've never wamt s to plug them into an OTL tube amp or anything.

[–] astro143@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I don't use IEMs very often, but there's something about plugging in my Tin T2s to my desktop amp, they just sound fuller. I've never looked into it more than just an observation, but more power more better? (kidding of course)

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[–] Tanachip@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

The unnecessary hate on expensive cables. why? They cure cancer!

[–] flipper_gv@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

People calling you all kinds of names for liking something that isn't "objectively the best". Try to explain to someone you might prefer Grados or the Abyss stuff and let the comments roll in.

A lot of people here have the social tact of cave hermits.

[–] Accomplished_Ad1054@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

The ASR & headphone show phase this sub went through was draining. There used to a youtuber that literally called Grado fans a cult when he got backlash he quitted doing videos.

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[–] Grumpycatdoge999@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

A lot of people are super uptight about headphone choices and will call anything that’s not currently being worshipped “complete dog shit”. Like my guy they’re headphones it’s not that big of a deal. Let a guy like his beats or whatever he has

[–] LArule19@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Everyone here only seem to care and hype about cheap headphones and iems that sounds within 1% deviation of each others.

I get that good product at affordable price is good, but they are just so boring too me, since that not usually where innovation happens. And a little spice in the frequency response won't kill anybody you know.

[–] kerouak@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)
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[–] LoaferDan@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Hifiman is trash and gets recommended way too much

[–] Spinezapper@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Not sure about now, but I stopped visiting this sub a year ago because of the toxicity of the "subjective" vs "objective" debate.

The fact that side sub has been brigaded multiple times just to win an argument really takes away at the authenticity of it all.

[–] Bagelstein@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago
[–] mainguy@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Copium.

Like you say the HD6XX hype is annoying, and its basically because they're cheap. Same with the endless love of chifi, 'forget Andromeda just get Blessing...'

etc etc.

It's weird because in other areas we all admit more expensive = better, an rtx 4090 delivers a better gaming experience than a 4070. A 4k OLED TV delivers a better viewing experience than a plain 1080p LED TV.

But for some reason pervasive in audio, and on this forum in particular, is a staunch affront to the notion that more expensive headphones, or sources, are gasp, better! It's strange as I've only seen this in audio. I can only surmise it's copium to the highest degree.

[–] Questhate1@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I get your point but headphones compared to TVs or GPU’s is not the same. There are a ton of reasons unrelated to performance that a headphone can be expensive. And lots of expensive headphones sound like absolute dogshit. The price = performance assumption doesn’t apply to this hobby, unfortunately.

[–] 717x@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

The hd600 series has been out for 20+ years now. It’s not hyped, it’s just really good. Isn’t priced ridiculously either.

[–] emptypencil70@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

People who say sennheisers are neutral when they arent because they lack bass and sub bass

[–] hey12delila@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

The neckbeards and waifus

[–] companyja@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Treating audio equipment, especially signal chain devices such as dacs, amps and even cables as some kind of black box only wizards such as audio engineers can build and understand and buying multi thousand dollar DACs for the sound. It's kinda sad cause there's really no ultimate reconsiliation between this approach and believing in AES style listening research and measurements, I just tend not to engage in the big arguments or post adversarial shit in threads of people discussing tube signatures or whatever. It's only my opinion but I'd love for the hobby to be way more focused on the actual headphones and speakers and masters/releases which make an enormous difference, and if you wanna get nerdy about it I wanna talk about recording/mixing techniques and all that stuff that's actually part of how music is made and reproduced rather than the quality of a boutique discrete DAC with 40000 components only to produce a passably clean signal rivalling the sansa clip+

reddit is a nice half and half or maybe even leans towards buying transparent signal chain gear and using EQ so that's neat, I haven't been on head-fi in a while but from what I remember every IEM thread had people talking about DAP synergy and the inevitable cable posts about copper vs silver vs silver plated copper vs whatever else

[–] Gippy_@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago
  • Everyone assuming the Harman curve is the bible, and that any headphone that strays from it must be poor.
  • Hype over high-end wired IEMs. Seriously, what's the deal? There might be a legitimate use for them, but losing the cable is so worth it for anything requiring mobility. There are some outspoken people who lament the loss of the 3.5mm jack in phones, but good riddance. For home listening, an actual wired headphone is much better unless the headband will mess up your hair.
[–] saujamhamm@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

that we all speak from a place of assumed knowledge and usually with heavy bias. i am included, as i read over the stuff i've posted, most of it is either wrong or i feel differently just 2 years or 6 months later!

most of what i read around here is thrown around with the heavy "fact" hammer attached to it but this entire hobby is deeply rooted in personal preference, opinion, feelings...

which are all exceedingly important and don't need to be attacked or defended.

i wish we could present what we have and how we feel about it - without the goofy game of my stuff is better than your stuff. or you're dumb for buying that you should get this cause i own this is and this is the best...

i know it's never going away. but my pet peeve is how passively toxic this whole hobby is.

[–] blargh4@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

The term “mid-fi”

[–] NoScoprNinja@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Saying the Sundara Closed Back is awful without actually trying it

[–] Akella333@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

People like to say audio is subjective… unless it’s made by a big brand. I remember seeing posters that were happy with their AirPods maxes and XM5s being shit on and being told that what they bought was “garbage”

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