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To me it seems like every feature Sony brings forth in their cameras seems to be replacing the skill or dedication that used to be needed to make a good photograph.

Can’t be arsed to time your shots? Don’t worry global shutter will basically let you shoot video. Don’t want to bother getting focus right? No worries, it’ll track the eye of a peregrine falcon mid flight.

I can’t help but think certain things are intrinsic to actually being a photographer and the over production of these cameras features takes away from the skills required to be good.

My 2 cents.

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[–] beardednutgargler@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I remember when autofocus or auto winding or auto anything was seen as cheating by the manual guys. It's a tradition at this point.

[–] DUUUUUVAAAAAL@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

The way you're talking, you better be shooting exclusively on a wet plate camera.

[–] man_from_utopia@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Get off my lawn!!!!

[–] Sweathog1016@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

None of the advancements do a bit of good if you don’t know which to use and when to use them.

[–] A2CH123@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I dont like digital cameras

To me, it seems like every feature in digital cameras seems to be replacing the skill or dedication that used to be needed to make a good photograph.

Cant be arsed to develop your film in a darkroom? Dont worry, with a DSLR you can see the images you take immediately after you shoot them. Dont want to bother getting your exposure right yourself? No worries, just slap the camera on auto mode and it will do all the work for you.

I can’t help but think certain things are intrinsic to actually being a photographer and the over production of these cameras features takes away from the skills required to be good.

My 2 cents.

I just like to capture the moments my family lives for posterity... with a digital camera, I take 1,000 pictures and 10 turn out better than I thought, and 990 I can pick apart and find something wrong with. I get the nicest gear I can justify getting with my limited budget, and I take nice pictures once a month or when we have a family event or vacation. I don't aspire to be a professional, make money at it or win awards. It's a hobby... My 2 cents.

[–] random_fist_bump@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Very true. Automation and AI technology are replacing skill and dedication.

People don't need to learn photography now, they just need to learn to turn on their image capturing computer.

[–] Jmtiner1@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

The things that make a good photographer are shot composition and the ability to tell a story through a photo. It doesn't matter how easy the gear makes it, if you have shit composition, your photo won't be compelling. And the only way to get better at shot composition is to take photos.

[–] ddk4x5@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

A gobal shutter would allow me to shoot with faster shutter times in theatre. It would allow me to flash faster and freeze motion better. It would allow me to photograph birds, both in movement and with a silent shutter.

I never understood fully why a 30 euro mini camera to guard my home does come with a global shutter, while my camera reads the frame line by line. But it seems to be harder to do the more pixels there are.

The hardest thing about photography should be getting at the right place and time to take the photo, and then point the camera in the right direction.

[–] LoganNolag@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

This post has real “Old Man Yells at Cloud” vibes.

[–] aandres_gm@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

This post is basically copy pasta levels or amazing. Thank you, OP

[–] iama-number@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

When I owned a film camera from Canon, I took bad shots, when I migrated to Canon digital, even with the bells and whistles, I took bad shots. Then when I moved to Sony, the bad shots continued though I got sharper bad shots. When I made the last step to a do all Sony body, more bad shots but they were sharp and had creamy bokeh. It’s all up to me, not the camera.

Another example: I had a friend who kept whining that she couldn’t take a good photo. On a photo walk I explained that a good photographer should be able to pick up any camera and get good pictures. So, as of that point, I had never shot on a Nikon…. I got some good shots just adjusting a few settings.

[–] Eggnimoman@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Weird 2 cents. Might as well go further and say photography ruins painter career since it's sooooo easy just push a button and take a picture.

[–] CottaBird@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

You might as well blame Minolta for targeting prosumers and making photography more accessible back in the day. They had the first integrated light meter in an SLR (Sr-7), the first multi cell light meter in an SLR (Sr-T 101), the first SLR with TTL aperture and shutter priority modes (XD), first fully-integrated autofocus system in an SLR (7000), and the first sensor based motion stabilization in a DSLR (Konica-Minolta 7D). (Someone correct me if I’m wrong on any of those)

Am I bias toward the brand? Yes. But that’s beside the point. None of these features do any good if the user doesn’t know how to use them. Some of these features can make a photographer lazy and they could actually take worse photos. The fact is still that some photos wouldn’t be possible without these features without a ton of luck. Plus, a lot of these features are inspiring, because a photographer can be surprised by what they can do when they have just a little help, whether that be eye-tracking or simply a flash.

A global shutter won’t do me any good. At most, I can use it for straight power poles when shooting from a moving car. But all the other intelligent features, they can help me because a bird will land on a branch and be gone in less than a second.

[–] mewithoutMaverick@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

This post sucks

[–] aarondigruccio@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When it comes to creating images, I don’t like photography.

To me it seems like every feature manufacturers bring forth in their cameras seems to be replacing the skill or dedication that used to be needed to make a good painting.

Can’t be arsed to paint your landscapes? Don’t worry, cameras will basically let you make a picture of them exactly as they look in real life.

Don’t want to bother getting your colour palettes right? No worries, cameras will reproduce the pigmentation of a peregrine falcon mid-flight.

I can’t help but think certain things are intrinsic to actually being an image-maker and the over production of these cameras features takes away from the skills required to be a good painter.

My 2 cents.

[–] Usual_Plan6212@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your condescension is misplaced and you’ve entirely missed the point of my original post, congratulations 👌🏼

[–] aarondigruccio@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

It’s not condescension—it’s perspective. Which level of technology is the correct level? How much camera technology do you think we can justifiably use and still have skill? What level of skill is that? Why did you choose the acceptable level of technology you chose instead of something more or less recent?

Any technological improvements only help photographers with talent and vision achieve the images they want to achieve. All the Sony camera tech in the world won’t fix a bad photographer.

[–] AntiqueStatus@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I somewhat agree with you but in a different way. I think it's totally fine for photographers to have all of these new features. It's awesome, especially for professionals and it makes everyones life easier. It'll open up some doors to new types of flash photography and some new moments that would have been almost impossible to photograph being photographed more often.

For me, the new features take out a lot of the joy and the tactile experience of photography which is why I usually shoot with a 5D mark II. It's the perfect sweet spot between film and mirrorless for me, personally.

However, the second I have to take pictures of animals or little kids, I'm grabbing my Canon T8i. Lool

[–] Tasty_Comfortable_77@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I see where you're coming from, and the condescension from many people here is predictable. But another way to see it: if you can't compose to save your life, if you don't understand colour, if you don't know what makes a photo interesting...then 120FPS and global shutter ain't going to help you.

All these incremental improvements do is make it easier to get certain kinds of pictures which were previously difficult, if not impossible, to get. That doesn't mean those pictures will be any good. It'll just be playing to the gallery. However, when you combine a photographer's eye with the possibility to get previously impossible shots, that's what justifies the new technology.

[–] Usual_Plan6212@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I suppose, thank you for being reasonable in your response.

[–] GreatBigPig@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you dodge and burn in your own darkroom? If not...

[–] Usual_Plan6212@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I don’t allow a program to do it on my behalf…