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[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 7 points 3 hours ago

Watson says that, looking back, he’s not confident that the damage long-term imprisonment did to his mind and body was worth it to remain in the country. “As lovely as America sounds, it’s not everything. It’s okay to start back over and live your life, because sometimes you’re gonna sit there for a long time if you’re fighting,” he says. His advice to other citizens in ICE detention is to remain open to giving up, if deportation means getting out of jail

Only do that if you know you'll actually be deported - rather than imprisoned offshore.

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 10 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I fully agree with the comments criticizing the ICE and proof of citizenship. The shitty part, the judicial branch is not arresting nor penalizing the business owners hiring illegal labor and a lot of those fuckers voted for this shit.

[–] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago

Yeah, that's the problem isn't it? I have to assume that if there was nowhere to work, there'd be less folks coming here illegally. It's just known you can come, work your ass off, get paid pretty well in cash, and send that shit home on a weekly basis. And there's rules about what can get sent home and there are ways folks skirt that all the time. It's a whole economy. And nothing is done about the people facilitating it. It's arresting the drug user, but leaving the dealers in place.

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 30 points 16 hours ago

Only people acting in good-faith care about your "proof"

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 147 points 1 day ago (14 children)

Not if the people examining my documents are morons, no.

I have a birth certificate, I have a passport and a passport card. None of that is a defense against "It's fake".

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/24/us-citizen-detained-ice-real-id

[–] LordCrom@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

So ICE considers my government issued IDs are 'fake'....

Then we counter with saying that ICEs badges are fake and start shooting them in the fucking face if they ever try to take my wife away.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Alternately, ICE agents aren't trained/are too dumb to identify fake IDs...

[–] CCMan1701A@startrek.website 5 points 15 hours ago

Time to get a global entry card as well.

[–] aramova@infosec.pub 67 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Another thing to consider is the recording of a ICE kidnapping where the person said they were a natural born citizen, when asked for proof they didn't have their birth certificate on them... While in the car.. driving to work.

The white paper birth certificate... That in my case is over 50 years old, and embossed with a stamp the clerks office likely got at the local trophy shop. That's it.

Drivers license including the Real ID ones don't count it seems.

So, yes. It's being used to indiscriminately arrest who they want like the Stasi fucks they are.

[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 2 points 3 hours ago

Let's see the citizenship proof of every ICE agent.

[–] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 15 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Insane that the Real ID ones won't count when you need a brith certificate to get one.

[–] emeralddawn45@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

Do you not need a birth certificate to get a drivers license in the US?

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Usually you need multiple forms of identification, and the birth certificate could count as one, but isn't required because non-citizens can get a driver's license if they are here long enough. Someone spending the decade or so going through the slow ass process to get their citizenship needs a driver's license during that decade.

[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Nor do you in most countries. Generally, a passport is the most authoritative form of identification.

[–] emeralddawn45@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Right but you need a birth certificate to get a US passport dont you?

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Yes, because a passport is based on citizenship.

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Not op, but most countries provide an ID that is not a passport. It needs a birth certificate. In my country that ID is far more authoritative than a passport and it even allows ingress to the country in case the passport is lost.

This ID issue is a very US thing. Most governments keep a tight registry of citizens and wouldn't have any doubt about who is and isn't a citizen.

[–] Sirdubdee@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I’d hope Ingress would be allowed in if their birth certificate said they were born there!

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Do you travel abroad with your birth certificate on you?

[–] LemmyFeed@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

You can use a birth certificate but it's not required, there's other methods to prove your identity.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 0 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

That's no longer true. That's what the RealID is about.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

While there is an option to have a driver's license as a Real ID, not all driver's licenses are Real IDs. Not sure the majority are tbh.

[–] silence7@lemmy.world 86 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] swordgeek@lemmy.ca 63 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Don't call it an arrest.

It's detainment. Kidnapping even. But an arrest has certain procedures and requirements that are not being followed by ICE.

[–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago

So does detainment. The fact that they are not following the procedures and requirements makes it an unlawful arrest or, as you correctly pointed out, kidnapping.

[–] radiohead37@lemmynsfw.com 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I’ve been thinking about getting a passport card just to have a proof of citizenship in my wallet at all times.

[–] aramis87@fedia.io 55 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They picked up at least once citizen who had his passport card on him and put him in detention anyway, saying the card was fake. Which is why due process for everyone is important, because otherwise you'd never get the opportunity to prove you're really a citizen.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Passport cards should be trivially easy for government officials to validate, if they care to. Border agents can, after all. Simply confiscating them and saying "they're fake" shows they don't care whether it is fake or not.

If you have any melanin at all, you should carry your passport card with you at all times, but also keep your full passport at home, in a location that your family and/or trusted friends know about, so they can produce it when ICE comes for you and confiscates your passport card.

[–] silence7@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

if they care to

ICE doesn't care if your skin is too dark, or your name sounds vaguely Arabic or Spanish.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 13 points 1 day ago

Or if you're just in the wrong place at the wrong time, especially when they need to make a quota.

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[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 27 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

not if someone expects me to produce documents randomly on the sidewalk.

[–] reiterationstation@lemm.ee 14 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Without due process they can just take your documents and poof! What documents?

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 2 points 4 hours ago

This is pretty much it. When folks are disapearin and theyre response is they are bad and now its to late oh well. No one is safe. Its literally the secret police.

[–] silence7@lemmy.world 17 points 21 hours ago

Good luck once locked up without the right to an attorney

[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 48 points 1 day ago

It's like proving to a Nazi, you don't have Jewish ancestry in 1938.

[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's getting to the point very soon that the only way you stop this, is armed community resistance.

No warrant, no entry. The only way you stop the abuse of power, is by confronting it with more power.

They are bullies, they are not brave.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 21 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

No, that's now. Look at what happened yesterday in L.A., for instance.

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[–] swordgeek@lemmy.ca 39 points 1 day ago

So many things wrong with this headline.

  • It is 'nearly impossible to escape' FOR ANYONE, not just US citizens. By design.
  • You can be in the US legitimately without being a citizen.
  • ANY AND EVERY detainment by ICE is wrongful.
  • You are not legally required to provide ID to authorities. In some states you can be compelled to provide your full name and possibly your address, ONLY if there is reasonable suspicion against you.
[–] dhork@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

There is an important and subtle distinction to be made here. A lot of noise is made calling people who are here without authorization "illegals", but that's not always true. Being present in the country without authorization is not automatically a criminal matter. It is true that many of the avenues for being here without authorization (crossing illegally, overstaying a visa) also violate the law, but that is handled as a separate matter.

Since immigration status is mostly a civil matter, ot a criminal one, these immigration courts are not under the Judicial Branch, like criminal courts are. They are actually "administrative courts" which are part of the Department of Justice, under the President, just like ICE is.

So while the courts occasionally provide a check on this Predident's power, the immigration courts never will. They ultimately report to the President through the DoJ, and the President has much more direct influence over it. So it doesn't surprise me that these people are stuck in a Kafkaesque hell, where ICE ignore their pleas that they are citizens and says "tell it to the judge", and when they finally get to the judge they get ignored.

Is it any wonder that Trump was so dead set against the immigration bill last year? He needed the process to stay chaotic, in order to have a better chance of winning.

[–] Vandals_handle@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

Republican leadership has been calling non-citizens here legally under temporary protected status illegals as well. Same holds true for other asylum seekers that followed the legal process. Facts and laws that stand in opposition to their goals are ignored by the republicans in charge and their supporters.

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

This does beg the question in my mind: If a person is wrongfully determined to be an illegal immigrant despite only having US citizenship, and is actually deported to some country ICE convinces themselves that person is from rather than "deporting" them to some prison in an unrelated country like El Salvador, they would presumably be in that other country illegally at that point. Would they be liable to be deported back to the US in such a case, by the government of that country?

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 32 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The other country has to be willing to receive them. In this case, the US would probably not.

But countries like El Salvador are being paid by the US to take these people, so they don't really care about the facts, they just want the money.

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