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[–] foggy@lemmy.world 41 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Uhm, cool, but ...

Rent isn't due every 48 hours.

So, the landlord can effectively wait a month.

When you withhold rent, you do so until the terms are met, then you pay what's owed. It isn't a discount, it's an incentive.

(e.g., the toilet is not functional. Okay. Rent is $2k, but I am renting a place with a bathroom, and I don't have that. Get me my bathroom and I'll get you your $2k.)

So... I don't get it. You cannot enforce 48 hours unless the repair is requested less than 48 hours before rent is due.

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 52 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It also allows tenants to make arrangements themselves to get the issue repaired after the 48 hours and deduct it from rent.

[–] Shiggles@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

That sounds like the landlord’s now just never going to get anything fixed

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 39 points 2 weeks ago

Hey if I'm allowed to call a plumber I trust and actually get a fix and not the landlord special, that's a win!

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 weeks ago

If the landlord's paying for it I'm not gonna haggle on price.

[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 weeks ago

They will when I keep booking the most expensive handymen in town.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Good point. Although, anything non-utility related is subject to the woes private equity not serving the public interest.

i.e. if you rent in an apartment building, this isn't an option in every city. Some local plumbers are NOT gonna touch the pipes on a corporate owned building. That kinda thing. All the way to where I have lived in a unit, had plumbing issues (thus the broken toilet analogy), and the case was such that the only plumber that would come to the building was the one that the building contracted out for the building.

In my case, this meant that my plumbing issues were known, unfixable, and fuck me. My recourse was withholding rent until the end of my lease, with only the obligation to pay what is owed if they prove the issue has been resolved.

Ultimately, this lead to them not renewing my lease.

I did get away with withholding and not paying 3 months rent. They still sent to collections, and I spent more than that fighting it.

I am now suing for damages.

Ultimately, I will win, but the stress is not worth the value of 3 months rent saved (+ "damages")

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

So, the landlord can effectively wait a month.

I guess Michigan could pass a law requiring landlords to accept rent payments every day. I'm not sure anyone would actually want that as a reform.

So… I don’t get it. You cannot enforce 48 hours unless the repair is requested less than 48 hours before rent is due.

I guess the question becomes - can you bill your landlord if you are forced to live outside their property, and deduct that cost from rent? If that's the case, the withheld rent becomes a means by which you can immediately recoup the cost of housing outside the rental unit.

Even then, just the threat of non-payment is a big deal for a landlord who is - themself - likely paying a note on the property and at risk of default if they can't use your money to pay their own creditors. The possibility of missing a mortgage payment creates a natural incentive to fix the property sooner rather than later.

As it stands, this would be a significant improvement to landlord/tenant relations. Which is why it likely won't pass.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 4 points 2 weeks ago

Effectively half a month on average.

It's better than nothing. Wish it were better but it's a step in the right direction.

[–] dan1101@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

I think it should be like 7 days, but 2 days seems too short.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 49 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Depends on the action needed.

Personally, I feel like for health and safety items, after 48 hours the renter should be able to call someone to do the repair on their behalf and bill the landlord any reasonable fees / withhold that money from the next month’s rent.

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Hell, can you even get somebody booked in that timeframe if you do? Even for emergency service?

[–] grue@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago
[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 6 points 2 weeks ago

Every tradie has a "fuck you" price. If I can take it out of rent, that money has already been budgeted.

[–] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago

Michigan has colder winters. What if your heat goes out? Two days is too long in this scenario, especially for elderly or young kids.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If it’s heat or power or water in the dead of winter, 2 days is frankly extremely generous.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

If it's power or water at any time of the year, 2 days is frankly extremely generous.

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yeah some work requiring contractors can take days to even find someone who can fit you into their schedule. 2 days seems great for critical to life things like no heat/ac, no functioning water/sewer, etc. But like, roof damage, a broken window? shit like that? Larger jobs It'll take at least a week to get a crew scheduled to even show up, and seems like an unreasonable legal burden.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

48 hours is plenty of notice to find somebody to tarp a hole in a roof or board up a broken window.

[–] Fermion@feddit.nl 8 points 2 weeks ago

A short time frame is fine because the consequences for missing it is that rent is delayed until the repair is complete, or the tenant is authorized to arrange for repairs themselves and deduct the costs from the rent. Neither of those are onerous so there doesn't need to be a long grace period.

This is also specifically for safety related repairs. It's not like a tenant can withhold rent for a broken window screen or dripping faucet.

[–] eselover@lemmy.today 6 points 2 weeks ago

My assumption would be they have 48hrs to book a service that takes time to fix and provide notice of scheduling.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Seven days is a long time to be homeless simply due to a landlord's neglect.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago

The wording seems to be that repairs must start within 48 hours, which is reasonable. Landlords could likely successfully argue that ordering replacement parts or having a someone scheduled to come out counts as starting or commencement.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago

Wrong, they should be on-call 24/7 to do repairs immediately. 48 hours is a generous compromise offer.

[–] Opinionhaver@feddit.uk 10 points 2 weeks ago

If they need to hire someone to come and do the repair, then good luck finding someone who can show up on such a short notice.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 4 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

whats stopping tenants from abusing this, basically saying oh you dint fix this or that when nothing needs fixing.

[–] raef@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

The submitted in writing part

[–] swelter_spark@reddthat.com 2 points 2 weeks ago

Why would they spend their own money to fix things if nothing needed fixing?

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

It's not about completion it's about starting a repair.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago