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    [–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 89 points 6 days ago (1 children)

    or at least build instructions right?

    [–] afk_strats@lemmy.world 60 points 6 days ago (1 children)

    This is so on point.

    I get not wanting to compile your code. Its extra work and, if you're already catering to a very thech-savvy crowd, you can let them deal with the variance and extra compile time.

    BUT if you're releasing your code for others TO USE and you don't provide reproducible instructions, what's the point?!?

    [–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 26 points 6 days ago

    BUT if you’re releasing your code for others TO USE and you don’t provide reproducible instructions, what’s the point?!?

    CV padding?

    [–] meme_historian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 75 points 6 days ago

    install.sh

    
    #!/bin/sh
    echo "compiling and running this mess is left as an  exercise to the reader."
    
    
    [–] thelittleerik@lemmy.world 58 points 6 days ago (2 children)

    I DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THE FUCKING CODE! i just want to download this stupid fucking application and use it https://github.com/sherlock-project/sherlock#installation

    WHY IS THERE CODE??? MAKE A FUCKING .EXE FILE AND GIVE IT TO ME. these dumbfucks think that everyone is a developer and understands code. well i am not and i don't understand it. I only know to download and install applications. SO WHY THE FUCK IS THERE CODE? make an EXE file and give it to me. STUPID FUCKING SMELLY NERDS

    [–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 46 points 6 days ago (2 children)

    Shame that it seems like people don't realize you're using a real issue someone opened on github as a copypasta.

    [–] tal@lemmy.today 27 points 6 days ago

    Can be hard to tell.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

    Poe's law is an adage of Internet culture which says that, without a clear indicator of the author's intent, any parodic or sarcastic expression of extreme views can be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of those views.[1][2][3]

    Origin

    Poe's law is based on a comment written by Nathan Poe in 2005 on christianforums.com, an Internet forum on Christianity. The message was posted during a debate on creationism, where a previous poster had remarked to another user: "Good thing you included the winky. Otherwise people might think you are serious".[4]

    The reply by Nathan Poe read:[1]

    Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is utterly impossible to parody a Creationist in such a way that someone won't mistake for the genuine article.

    Apparently this was the original post:

    https://old.reddit.com/r/github/comments/1at9br4/i_am_new_to_github_and_i_have_lots_to_say/

    And then someone saw it on Reddit and created an issue on the sherlock project over it:

    https://github.com/sherlock-project/sherlock/issues/2011

    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 8 points 6 days ago

    You are forgetting the death threats

    Also probably worth noting that this is the exact type of person who should never be allowed to use Sherlock.

    [–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 5 days ago (1 children)

    Here is an Appimage and Flatpak, go bug your distro maintainers if you want it packaged

    [–] lime@feddit.nu 9 points 5 days ago (3 children)

    that's far preferable tbh. i'm much more likely to try out some piece of software if it does not require sudo to install.

    [–] jcb20165@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 1 day ago

    Like windows?

    [–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

    If I ever publish a desktop programme, it will probably be like that TBH.

    Also IIRC Bottles only supports bug reports if they are reproducible in the Flatpak, which I think is a very reasonable way of handling it and would probably copy it.
    Chances are if the same version only has a bug when installed traditionally, you should be writing in Launchpad or something instead of the repo issue tracker.

    [–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

    Well, sudo installing random .deb/.rpm packages is really bad practice. But I assume you trust the maintainers of the distro you are using.

    [–] WalnutLum@lemmy.ml 34 points 6 days ago (1 children)

    "here is a checksum of my /usr/lib folder, if yours differs from mine I can't provide installation support"

    [–] tal@lemmy.today 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

    here is a checksum of my /usr/lib folder

    That's actually not as trivial as it seems, because you need a canonical representation of that directory to generate such a thing in the same way on each side.

    You need to encode the metadata in a standard way, encode new data that shows up in a standard way, and various people can add more metadata to files: think like Posix ACLs or the immutable flag or whatever.

    Then there is maybe some metadata that you probably want to exclude, like atime (though not if you're something like rsync -U!), and some metadata that you almost-certainly want to exclude, like inode number.

    The OS's file APIs won't have a defined order in which they return entries in a directory. Like, they'll normally just return it in whatever order things come back from the filesystem, which is probably whatever is most-efficient for the filesystem in question, given how things are encoded on disk. If you sort the directory entries, then it can't be


    as is the case for most things on the system


    done in a locale-dependent fashion. Utilities like tar don't impose a canonical ordering, so you can't just dump the problems on tar by checksumming a tarball of the directory.

    EDIT: tar does appear to have a canonical ordering option today, though it also probably doesn't have the constraint of being backwards-compatible with metadata included, another thing that one would need for such a checksum if one were to leverage tar.

    [–] WalnutLum@lemmy.ml 9 points 5 days ago

    You need to encode the metadata in a standard way, encode new data that shows up in a standard way, and various people can add more metadata to files: think like Posix ACLs or the immutable flag or whatever.

    Nix actually invented a fork of tar specifically for this called "normalized archive" or "Nix Archive" or nar. Guix uses this too:

    https://releases.nixos.org/nix/nix-2.22.0/manual/protocols/nix-archive.html

    [–] FishFace@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

    You need to

    Given it was a joke, I don't think you need to do anything...

    The OS’s file APIs won’t have a defined order in which they return entries in a directory

    Sorting is a thing :)

    [–] 17lifers@sopuli.xyz 44 points 6 days ago (1 children)

    bold of you to assume linux users run installers lol

    [–] miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

    Heard.
    Sounds far too windowish but there are only a couply techie-meme comms, so I figured I'd drop it here anyway.

    [–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 days ago

    It would fit in c/Programmerhumor too, I think.

    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 37 points 6 days ago (1 children)

    People here are so entitled. Developers have zero obligation to do anything. If you don't like that you can do it yourself. Don't expect people to drop everything to help you.

    Most devs are pretty chill and will even help you if you are nice. Don't be a jerk.

    [–] tal@lemmy.today 24 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

    Padmé may not realize that it's not Anakin's job if Padmé is coming off Windows, because if Padmé uses Windows, Padmé's user workflow is "go to developer's website, download binary installer", and it'd be really weird for the developer to not provide a binary installer. Windows doesn't have distros that distribute software (well, okay, I guess Windows has an app store or something these days and Steam, and that's a bit analogous, but that's not how things work traditionally).

    My assumption would be that it's not that Padmé's being entitled, just that Padmé doesn't know how this works and is confused and thus frustrated.

    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 7 points 6 days ago

    You clearly haven't been on the receiving end

    [–] cosmicrose@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 6 days ago (1 children)

    It’s called cargo install duh

    [–] KazuchijouNo@lemy.lol 26 points 6 days ago (1 children)

    Car no go install, car go vrr vrr

    [–] kubica@fedia.io 19 points 6 days ago
    [–] tal@lemmy.today 22 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

    The correct response here is: I'm upstream. The distro guys do that.

    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 9 points 6 days ago

    Or just a plain no

    I sometimes will write something but I don't provide free support for random people on the internet. Just because I publish some code doesn't mean I'm actively working on it. I'm not about to drop everything for some jank program I made years ago.

    [–] 30p87@feddit.org 18 points 6 days ago (2 children)

    Installer? What? Just do cmake .

    [–] b_tr3e@feddit.org 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

    And ./autoconf.sh? What' about autoconf.sh? Doesn't anyone think of autoconf.sh anymore?

    Nevertheless, why all the pointless speculations if we still don't know if he uploaded an installer or not? We still don't know! Why didn't OP tell us? Why does noone instist on him telling us? The internet is for the exchange of knowledge, isn't it? So did he, or did he not? I am waiting on an answer!

    [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 days ago

    And ./autoconf.sh? What' about autoconf.sh? Doesn't anyone think of autoconf.sh anymore?

    Just the pros.

    But they'll be the ones delivering real, sound, packages, that install cleanly and upgrade perfectly. Anything less is unprofessional.

    [–] Steve@startrek.website 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

    Fatal error: G:/code/old/bak/important/extra/include/driver/etc.h not found

    [–] 30p87@feddit.org 1 points 3 days ago

    Just offer downloading the dependencies explicitly as well as the system ones lol

    [–] jkercher@programming.dev 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)
    gcc main.c
    

    - unity build gang

    [–] socsa@piefed.social 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

    There's a dockerfile figure it out yourself.

    [–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago (7 children)

    If you have a dockerfile, take the extra step of making the workflow that builds the container and pushes it to a registry somewhere.

    [–] socsa@piefed.social 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

    Best I can do is a script that wgets the container from Google drive. Ain't nobody got money for proper docker hosting.

    [–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

    For the free docker hosting?

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    [–] h4x0r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)
    ./configure
    make -j$(nproc)
    sudo make install
    
    [–] tal@lemmy.today 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

    So, from a technical standpoint, that's the correct answer (well, I'd use ionice -c3 nice -n20 make -j$(nproc)).

    But...I kind of feel that most of the time, if someone is likely to be asking an upstream project for a binary installer, it might not be a great idea for them to be installing non-package-managed stuff systemwide. I don't know if they'd be in a good position to diagnose or fix issues arising from that. Maybe use something like alien.

    I'd be less-concerned about compiling to and invoking locally from the compilation directory, something that most packages permit for.

    [–] h4x0r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

    might not be a great idea for them to be installing non-package-managed stuff systemwide

    ./configure
    make -j$(nproc)
    ./build/bin/app
    
    [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

    So many supply chain sploits. Opaque dockers, toxic crates, curl/sh victims; the list is endless.

    [–] lena@gregtech.eu 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)
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